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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>This is too funny…..I never paid attention to his domain
shsu.edu….<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>COTS (Common Off The Shelf) or the Ballmer Principle (yes I worked
for Microsoft) is you never build what you can buy off the shelf -jason<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Fuermann, Jason<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2009 5:57 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Lelio Fulgenzi'; Matt Slaga (US)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Voicemail vs Unity Voicemail<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Well…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you can’t tell we’ve moved to call manger. There were a lot
of factors for this. Most significantly we were essentially maintaining our own
branch of the code since we had to develop some of the features that were
required and were in the process of trying to figure out how to program shared
line appearances. In the beginning that wasn’t a problem (we were used to it
since we were a majority open source shop), but after a significant loss of
personnel these types of systems became much harder to maintain. It was decided
that we needed something we could bring joe shmoe off the street to administer
and here we are now. We successfully rolled our entire campus to voip and
haven’t looked back.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:52 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matt Slaga (US)<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Voicemail vs Unity Voicemail<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I've always wondered how this
turned out....<br>
<br>
http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/091206-von-sam-houston.html<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Matt Slaga (US)" <Matt.Slaga@us.didata.com><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>, "Tim
Reimers" <treimers@ashevillenc.gov><br>
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 4:01:49 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Voicemail vs Unity Voicemail<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Asterisk’s
biggest issue with corporate America is supportability. I agree that some
SMBs (focus on ‘S’) are moving that route because of ‘packaged’ solutions, but
I have yet to see a medium to large company give it more than a cursory
glance. Once they see the support model (or lack thereof), they continue
looking.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2009 3:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Reimers<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Voicemail vs Unity Voicemail</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Asterisk
is another one they will have to worry about. More in the small business sector
in the short/med term, but once they get scaling and high availability sorted
out, it will be a challenger. And yes, as someone mentioned, it needs to be
more user friendly. I think what you will find is that people will
"sell" the front end and asterisk will continue to be free on the
back end.<br>
<br>
There are already asterisk appliances available. This will also make it a ripe
product.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
<br>
<br>
----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Tim Reimers" <treimers@ashevillenc.gov><br>
To: "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip@gmail.com><br>
Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:06:32 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Voicemail vs Unity Voicemail</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>well, on
the note of moving away from Unity</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I'll ask
the question:</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>Has anyone
on the list considered or experimented with integrating Asterisk's
IVR/voicemail/call handlers into UCM at any level?</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I did a
SIP trunk between an Asterisk server and a CCM 4.X server once and it worked
quite handily to support a few wireless SIP phones.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I've never
tried out the IVR capacities of Asterisk and just wondered if anyone found it
to be usable?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:blue'>I'd be
interested to hear where people place Asterisk on the playing field now.</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Tim
Reimers</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Systems
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href="mailto:timreimers@ashevillenc.gov" target="_blank">treimers@ashevillenc.gov</a></span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Scott Voll<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 18, 2009 1:40 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tkachuk,Birni<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Microsoft Voicemail vs Unity Voicemail</span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>It is
definately something I've been kicking around for some time. I just
haven't yet pulled the trigger.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I have
Exchange 2k7 UM installed at one of my School Districts and they love it (but
they also have never had unity). The have a great voice portal which they
love. they have true UM. Negitves are lack of Call handlers and the
such.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> </span><span
style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I have a
SLA with MS for pretty much all Enterprise OS / Apps and it would not cost
use much at all. I've been totally frustrated with Cisco on their pricing
structure for smartnet / subscriptions. I'm paying more for my Unity
server in contract then my CM cluster.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>budgets
get any tighter and it may just push me over the top. We already use OCS
for IM / Presence, and I'm working on integrating CM into it. I think I
could see us going to Excheange 2k7 pretty easy. I don't see coming off CM
for Call Processing or UCCx for contact center, but Unity is pretty easy to
flip a coin. and it would get it off my plate and on to my Exchange / AD
guys plate =)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>2009/2/18
Tkachuk,Birni <<a href="mailto:birnit@nait.ca" target="_blank">birnit@nait.ca</a>></span><span
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Has
anyone thrown in the towel with Unity and opted out for the Microsoft Voicemail
product. We're aware of the work around with MWI. What
about interfacing with a Blackberry Enterprise Server? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Calligraphy";color:#0F243E'>Birni
Tkachuk</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0F243E'>Voice
Services Specialist </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Services</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0F243E'>NAIT</span><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0F243E'>11762
- 106 Street NW</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0F243E'>Edmonton,
Alberta T5G 2R1</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#0F243E'>P
780.471.7532 F 780.491.3083 E <a href="mailto:birnit@nait.ca"
target="_blank">birnit@nait.ca</a></span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Papyrus;color:#0F243E'><a
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<p><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p><i><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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