<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I think the bottom line is this:<br><ul><li>new hardware has to be tested by Cisco<br></li><li>what we might think is a "small" difference, is in fact, not small. the difference between a 2.0 and a 2.4 GHz CPU is not only .4 GHz, it could be instruction sets, etc.</li></ul>That being said, I agree, as much as Cisco might make it sound, it is not easy to order the HP approved hardware on the swonly list. It is even much more difficult to order in Canada.<br><br>I also agree that the above steps are not happening as fast as they should.<br><br><br><br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Jason Aarons (US)" <jason.aarons@us.didata.com><br>To: "Paul" <asobihoudai@yahoo.com>, "Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff@cisco.com><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:33:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br>I wonder how they test if the extra point two GHz works and what they do<br>when it fails, call Intel?<br><br>I think the QA dept should re-focus on Daylight Savings Time testing...<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Paul [mailto:asobihoudai@yahoo.com] <br>Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 11:18 AM<br>To: Jason Aarons (US); Ryan Ratliff<br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br><br>Jason,<br><br>What do you mean? It's not as if Linux doesn't support the different<br>processor speeds/types, it's the way Cisco specifically configures the<br>software itself so they can have an environment that has been tested<br>thoroughly by their QA department.<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----<br>From: Jason Aarons (US) <jason.aarons@us.didata.com><br>To: Ryan Ratliff <rratliff@cisco.com>; Paul <asobihoudai@yahoo.com><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 11:10:28 AM<br>Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br>Be cool if CallManager 7x/8x software a hardware abstraction layer and<br>didn't care if CPU was 2.4GHz versus 2.6GHz, etc.<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net<br>[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Ryan Ratliff<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 10:26 AM<br>To: Paul<br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br>Yeah I'm not sure what you were looking for exactly. Cisco can't <br>tell you when you can or cannot buy a server from HP or IBM. All we <br>do is document the exact parts that make up the MCS servers so if you <br>wish to buy the equivalent from HP or IBM directly you can do so. <br>If HP or IBM wants to tell you a newer part is equivalent then that's <br>up to them but don't expect it to work unless each part number <br>matches exactly what's in the document we provide.<br><br>If Cisco is still selling the MCS server you are looking to duplicate <br>then I imagine we are still getting the parts from HP/IBM but that's <br>getting into supply chain logistics and I know nothing about that <br>part of the business.<br><br>-Ryan<br><br>On May 5, 2009, at 10:18 AM, Paul wrote:<br><br><br>My understanding is you can order non-MCS boxen at anytime, you just <br>have to make sure you have the *exact* specified parts list for Cisco <br>or you'll end up with a hair-pulling installation error.<br><br><br><br>----- Original Message ----<br>From: Voice Noob <voicenoob@gmail.com><br>To: Ryan Ratliff <rratliff@cisco.com><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 10:14:31 AM<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br>So when can we order NON MCS servers?<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Ryan Ratliff [mailto:rratliff@cisco.com]<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:10 AM<br>To: Voice Noob<br>Cc: 'Jason Burns'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br>You are correct in the server equivalency but the second link Jason<br>provided shows that server can only run 6.1(3) and the Windows CUCM.<br><br>-Ryan<br><br>On May 5, 2009, at 9:58 AM, Voice Noob wrote:<br><br>I think you are incorrect Jason. "It is the configuration equivalent<br>of the Cisco MCS<br>7825-H4-IPC1/CCX1/CCE1. " If it is equivalent to a 7825H4 I should be<br>able to run 7.0 on it.<br><br><br><br>From: Jason Burns [mailto:burns.jason@gmail.com]<br>Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 6:43 PM<br>To: Voice Noob<br>Cc: Jason Aarons (US); Paul; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br><br><br>One additional caveat, just to make sure you're aware of this gotcha.<br><br>If you order a brand spanking new server directly from HP keep in<br>mind that you may have to wait a while for a version of CallManager<br>to come out that actually supports that server hardware.<br><br>It is hardcoded in the CCM installer to check the machine model /<br>specs and give a go or no go on the install. If the server model is<br>newer than the version of CCM you're installling - the install will<br>fail. Not the greatest design in my opinion, but I suppose they did<br>it to ensure you're running on something that has been tested.<br><br>Before ordering hardware, always check the CCM software compatibility<br>matrix:<br><br>http://cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/ <br>products_device_support_tables_list.html<br><br>Supported Servers for Cisco Unified Communications Manager Releases<br><br>The server you're looking at from the rest of the thread looks to be:<br><br>HP DL320-G5p<br><br>Which is only supported in CCM 6.1.3, and NOT in 5, 6.1.2, or 7.<br>(although it does have 4.X support)<br><br>Hope that helps.<br><br>On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 4:35 PM, Voice Noob <voicenoob@gmail.com> wrote:<br><br>These parts are new. They are suppose to be for the H4 server.<br><br><br><br>HP DL320-G5p Server with Intel E8400 3-GHz Processor<br><br>The DL320-G5p is a high-performance server platform for today's unified<br>communications applications. It supports up to 1000 Cisco Unified IP<br>Phones<br>on a single server and up to 4000 Cisco Unified IP Phones when clustered<br>properly. The required processor is an Intel E8400 3-GHz processor. No<br>specific memory configuration is required as long as 2 GB of memory is<br>provided. It is the configuration equivalent of the Cisco MCS<br>7825-H4-IPC1/CCX1/CCE1.<br>Table 6 lists the hardware configuration requirements.<br>Table 6. Hardware Configuration Requirements<br><br>Quantity<br> HP Part Number<br> Description<br><br>1<br> 445436-B21<br> HP DL320R05p Mod0 Svr<br><br>1<br> 450436-B21<br> DL1U 2 DRV CAGE FIO KIT<br><br>1<br> 509468-B21<br> HPZE8400 DL320G5p Proc Option Kit<br><br>2<br> 450259-B21<br> HP 1GB UB PC2-6400 1x1GB Kit<br><br>2<br> 458926-B21<br> HP 250GB 3G SATA 7.2K 3.5" MDL HDD<br><br>1<br> 411508-B21<br> HP Smart Array E200 Controller<br><br>1<br> 449991-B21<br> HP DL320G5p 12.7mm DVD Kit<br><br>1<br> 450343-B21<br> DL320G5p iLO2 PORT OPT KIT<br><br><br><br><br>Contact HP for specific power-supply and power cord options.<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net<br><br>[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Jason Aarons<br>(US)<br>Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:21 PM<br>To: Paul; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br>The feedback I hear on this list is that these parts are from 2006 era<br>and you shouldn't be buying them if you talk to HP directly...Who wants<br>a 2006 Lexus when they can get a 2009/2010?<br><br>I was under the impression that a new parts list and new MCS line will<br>be out June/July timeframe for CallManager 7.0(2)...<br><br>However I have no authority on this and shouldn't be deemed an<br>authority, just a guess on my part that a server refresh is past due...<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net<br>[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] On Behalf Of Paul<br>Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 3:11 PM<br>To: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Subject: [cisco-voip] Is the MCS-clone HP server parts list current?<br><br><br>I need this updated if it's not. 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