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It will be there but support will be increasingly marginal. As Ryan
stated - the writing on the wall is very clear. There will be little or
no development sustaining. Increasingly the answer to any issue will
only be "restart the service".<br>
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/Wes<br>
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On Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:40:26 AM, Syed Khalid Ali
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:syed.khalid.khursheed@gmail.com"><syed.khalid.khursheed@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">As said earlier, BAC, DAC and EAC will only cost more. Although the
Attendant Console bundled with CCM is not Free but it is really good
for basic usage. But even if Cisco sells the DAC at 1000$/seat it is
still an overkill.
If I order 6.1 the attendant console will be there. Please point me if
I am wrong.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:28 PM, Bennie Grant <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Bennie.Grant@mettoni.com"><Bennie.Grant@mettoni.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">There were many reasons – the main ones were as follows:
1) Cisco had VERY limited development personnel on the product – it was
purely being maintained (i.e. no new features)
2) Did not have the architecture to support new applications that Cisco
NEED it to in their System Releases (i.e. CUPS)
3) Could not support “right to left” languages
4) Did not support JAWS – for the Disabilities Act (as Voice Noob says)
5) Has been the cause of a great many CAP cases worldwide
6) Simply does not offer the functionality that customers require – was
a major competitive advantage to other PBX vendors and their Attendant
Consoles
Of course, one of Cisco’s considerations is to ensure that it is future
proof, and also supportable worldwide (languages etc) – all of which the
CUAC struggled to do
The bottom line is that the CUAC product could not meet customer
requirements, was problematic and was not going to be able to improve over
time as the rest of the Cisco UC suite moves on
Thanks
Bennie Grant
VP - Operations
Arc Solutions (International) Inc
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:17 AM
To: 'Tanner Ezell'; 'Matthew Loraditch'
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
Junk!
I also heard it was due to not meeting the Americans With Disabilities Act.
From: Tanner Ezell [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:tanner.ezell@gmail.com">mailto:tanner.ezell@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:10 AM
To: Matthew Loraditch
Cc: Voice Noob; Bill Talley; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
I don't recall seeing it above, but what was the rational of removing AC?
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Matthew Loraditch
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com"><MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com></a> wrote:
Not necessarily, I have a customer with 6 operators/receptionists but
that’s because there are 6 different sites and there is an operator at each
site. I’d imagine there are many others with this type of setup.
I have no idea what I’m going to do when it’s time for 8.0, ARC is
ridiculously expensive for functionality these people have had for free for
years.
Matthew Loraditch
1965 Greenspring Drive
Timonium, MD 21093
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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:55 AM
To: 'Bill Talley'
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
Notice the B instead of D. I usually lead in with the CUBAC software. Also
if you have more than two or three “operators” you probably have a call
center and are putting the wrong product in for the customer.
From: Bill Talley [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:btalley@gmail.com">mailto:btalley@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:53 AM
To: Voice Noob
Cc: Syed Khalid Ali; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
I thought CUDAC listed at $1395/seat. I could be wrong, but is that not per
seat? There's also added costs for software maintence, the server to run it
on, hardware maintence for the server, and labor to install it.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Voice Noob <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com"><voicenoob@gmail.com></a> wrote:
What are you paying $5,000 for? CUBAC is list $1,800 which can scale to
monitor 500 phones.
From: Bill Talley [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:btalley@gmail.com">mailto:btalley@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 9:45 AM
To: Voice Noob
Cc: Syed Khalid Ali; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
Yes, thanks for the clarification Noob. I was referencing sales that
occured prior to April 19 and those scenarios would no longer apply.
Free goes along when you just need basic functionality of line status, park
monitor, basic queuing and routing based on attendant availability for only
or two people and no more than that. Note the operative term in that
statement is NOT 'free', it's 'basic'. In my opinion, the ARC solutions
don't provide the same basic functionality as attendant console in as simple
of a way. I'm not trying to debate which is better, as ARC is a more
scalable, more capable and probably more stable application. By saying
'basic' I'm including hardware requirements, admin procedures, costs,
etc. In the scenarios where we've installed the free Cisco Attendant
Console, ARC is way overkill. That's due to either resistence to cost, IT
staffing levels/skill sets, budgets, hardware availability, etc.
That being said, as Ryan mentioned, 'the writing's on the wall', and those
scenarios will have to be dealt with. However, there should be a better
alternative for small to medium business with only one or two attendants
than CUDAC. Going from free to $5k for basic functionality is a big deal in
some cases.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 9:02 AM, Voice Noob <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com"><voicenoob@gmail.com></a> wrote:
It may be “free” but the functionality is very poor compared to the other
products. Also if you read the fine print it is only supported if you
purchased and installed before the EOL date. Not if you purchase 6.1.
From: Bill Talley [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:btalley@gmail.com">mailto:btalley@gmail.com</a>]
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:47 AM
To: Voice Noob
Cc: Syed Khalid Ali; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
Not speaking for Syed, but we've had clients request UCM 6.1 because Cisco
Attendant Console is 'free' and supported for a longer period. With UCM 7,
at one time anyway, Attendant Console was only supported if the system was
upgraded from a previous version to UCM 7.x. Perhaps that's changed?
AFAIK, CUBAC, CUDAC and CUEAC are a significantly priced add-on, too
significant for many organizations in our case.
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:16 AM, Voice Noob <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com"><voicenoob@gmail.com></a> wrote:
Why would you order 6.1? You can use CUBAC, CUDAC, or CUEAC product
depending on your needs. They are all from ARC but are sold OEM by Cisco.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 6:18 AM
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Subject: [cisco-voip] Cisco Attendant console and CCM version 7
Dear all,
I was checking the data sheet form CCM 7 and they are not bundled any
more. so what is the alternative.
I heard they have Enterprise Attendant Console and ARC Console.
If we order version 6.1, do we still need to order the console separately?
--
Thanks,
Syed Khalid Ali
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