<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Daniel has it spot on. The incoming calling search space of any trunk/gateway/gatekeeper/etc should not include any partition that contains any route pattern that would end up routing a call back to itself.</div><div><br></div><div> <br><br>Lelio Fulgenzi, <span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373); ">Senior Analyst</span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);">Computing & Communications</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);">University of Guelph</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);">519-824-4120 x56354</span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);">...sent from my iPod - please pardon my fat fingers ;) </span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);"><br></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="-webkit-composition-fill-color: rgba(175, 192, 227, 0.231373); -webkit-composition-frame-color: rgba(77, 128, 180, 0.231373);">[XKJ2000]</span></div></div><div><br>On 2009-06-30, at 7:46 PM, Daniel <<a href="mailto:dan.voip@danofive.id.au">dan.voip@danofive.id.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><br>We had a very similar issue to this, ended up being that CSS was configured wrong on our trunk to our gatekeeper.</div>
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<div>A call would come in from our external gateway or an internal call, the externsion could not be found so the call would match the catch all route pattern and go out the trunk to the gatekeeper. The gatekeeper would have the correct zone prefixes and send the call back to the same zone it came from. The inbound CSS of the gatekeeper trunk had the wrong CSS configred which allowed calls to go back out to the tieline which created a loop as call manager set the call back to the gatekeeper and the gatekeeper sent the calls back to the same call manager. </div>
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<div>I would advise to make sure that your gateways and gatekeepers are only allowed to call internal extensions only, or at least the gatekeeper so that itself is only allowed to call internal extensions.</div>
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<div>The call will still hit the gatekeeper once but when the call comes back in from the gatekeeper to the call manager the call is rejected, the extension can not be found and there is no partition in the css that allows access to the route pattern for the trunk.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 7:59 AM, Scott Voll <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com"><a href="mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com">svoll.voip@gmail.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">I don't think I follow all of scenario 2 but as for #1 we had the same thing with our old PBX and our CM. if the extension wasn't on either system you would loop until all channels were in use or someone disconnected. I think the only fix would be to have a RP with all the extensions not in use forwarded to an AA. But every time you move an extension over you will need to delete the RP extension. If you were doing a trunk and not a channel based circuit to the other PBX you have the ability to kill the system because it will keep looping until the system can't take it any more.
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<div class="h5">On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:47 PM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve.siltman@assurant.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:steve.siltman@assurant.com">steve.siltman@assurant.com</a></a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div>
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<div class="h5"><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Here is a couple of scenarios that I need help with.</font> <br><br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Scenario 1:</font> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Cisco IP Phones and Avaya phones mixed at the same location. MGCP router is the go-between. If an extension is dialed and doesn't live on one system, it forwards the call to the other system. This works great. What if the extension doesn't live on either system? I was taking a trace from Call Manager, on a different issue, and noticed a problem that looks like a call is doing the above. Without adding specific route patterns and continuing to use a large 1XXXX pattern to send calls across to Avaya when they don't exist on Call Manager, can I limit this route loop or stop it from happening somehow?</font> <br>
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Scenario 2:</font> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">This one has me perplexed because I'm not sure why I didn't notice this long ago or how it continues to loop. The call comes into a remote H.323 gateway and the DNIS is translated into a DN that lives on Call Manager. The dial-peer looks up the DN on Call Manager but it doesn't exist. *sigh* We have a route pattern configured to point all those extensions towards the remote H.323 gateway. I believe the first office was setup this way and its been copied for each additional remote office install. We now have 20 offices that have a route pattern pointing the Internal DN range back out to the remote H.323 gateway where the phones live physically. I believe the resolution to this is to remove these internal DN range route patterns. Call Manager already knows them and doesn't need this route pattern. Correct? I still don't understand how this could be looping but it must be looping within the Call Managers. I turned on ISDN Q931 and VOIP DIALPEER debugs on the router and saw the call come in and hit the dial-peer to Call Manager. Thats all I saw on the router but yet the Call Manager had 250 trace files, each 1 meg in size and rolled after 9 minutes. Digit analysis shows the called number and the extension, that doesn't exist, over and over and over in just under 1 second intervals. I'm pretty sure removing this internal DN range route pattern will resolve this but I'd like to know how its looping.</font> <br>
<br><font face="sans-serif" size="2">Any suggestions or you've seen this before would be appreciated. Thanks!</font> <br><font face="sans-serif" size="2"><br>Steve Siltman<br>Assurant Corporate Technology<br><a href="mailto:steve.siltman@assurant.com" target="_blank"><a href="mailto:steve.siltman@assurant.com">steve.siltman@assurant.com</a></a></font>
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