<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>wow. those are some interesting stories.<br><br><br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Larry Hadrava" <larryh@ipexpert.com><br>To: "Cisco certification" <ccielab@groupstudy.com>, "<ccie_rs@onlinestudylist.com>" <ccie_rs@onlinestudylist.com>, cisco-voip@puck.nether.net, "ccie voice" <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>, eman@ccieflyer.com<br>Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 5:59:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: [cisco-voip] CCIE Amnesty?<br><br><div>I received this note from Eman a little while ago and he asked me to share it with you.</div>
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<div>I cannot confirm or deny any of this, but I have been faced with this situation before. </div>
<div>For direct questions please contact Eman: <a href="mailto:eman@ccieflyer.com" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Calibri">eman@ccieflyer.com</font></a><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font></div>
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<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt; text-align: center;" align="center"><b><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">CCIE Amnesty Program</font></font></b></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">What does amnesty mean?<span> </span>Well it has been years since I thumbed through my Funk and Wagnalls dictionary so I could not actually find it!<span> </span>Instead I hopped on-line and looked it up. </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Noun1.amnesty</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> - a period during which offenders are exempt from punishment</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';">Verb1.amnesty</span></b><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman','serif';"> - grant a pardon to (a group of people)</span></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">If you have not been informed there are many ways to use your CCIE number.<span> </span>A few of these methods are frowned upon by Cisco and can even cost you that hard earned number.<span> </span>Yes, recently I personally witnessed the revoking of a pair of CCIEs who had associated their numbers to a channel they did not work for.<span> </span>This is strictly forbidden by Cisco and can result in severe penalties to the Channel and the CCIE.<span> </span>(see </font><a href="http://www.itworld.com/networking/69359/innocuous-or-unethical" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Calibri">http://www.itworld.com/networking/69359/innocuous-or-unethical</font></a><font size="3" face="Calibri"> )</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">I felt pretty badly about the CCIEs losing their certifications and wanted to help prevent this as much as I can.<span> </span>So I called Monica (</font><a href="http://www.ccieflyer.com/2009-Mar-Monica-Cojocneanu.php" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Calibri">my best friend at Cisco</font></a><font size="3" face="Calibri">) and we put our heads together to come up with a solution.<span> </span>From this chat the CCIE Amnesty program was born. </font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">The rules are very clear about CCIEs whose numbers are used to help advance channel partners reseller status.<span> </span>The CCIE must work and live where the company is located.<span> </span>Number associations have been done in some creative ways both with and without the CCIE’s participation.<span> </span>As I described in February on my blog </font><a href="http://www.ccieagent.com/" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Calibri">http://www.ccieagent.com/</font></a><font size="3"><font face="Calibri"> in the story , “CCIE Hostage Stand-Off”, sometimes unsuspecting CCIEs are fooled by a company simply to get them to associate their number. <span> </span>The company in this story after passing the Cisco Audit put the CCIEs on unpaid leave.<span> </span>In other cases the CCIE simply succumbs to the temptation to associate their number because their real employer has no use for it.<span> </span>So they get a small fee for the number and are never utilized by the company, I call this a Rent-A-Cert.<span> </span>This is a name used by a company acting as a recruiting company but in actuality putting certified individuals in harm’s way.<span> </span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Here’s our plan, for the next 90 days I am asking any CCIE who is in a situation where their CCIE number is associated with a company they are not really working for to step forward and I will have their number released from that employer with no repercussions or penalties.<span> </span>The company will then have nine months to resolve their need and the CCIE will help another CCIE have a shot at a real job.<span> </span>Think about it, if you have your number associated with a company that needs the number you are taking a job away from another CCIE who needs a job.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3"><font face="Calibri">How to proceed.<span> </span></font></font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Send me an email </font><a href="mailto:eman@ccieflyer.com" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Calibri">eman@ccieflyer.com</font></a><font size="3" face="Calibri"> and I will call you to begin the process.<span> </span>I will keep you out of hot water and help the channel partner replace you with a real CCIE to join their staff.<span> </span><span> </span>If you are the victim of a channel that is holding your number against your will I will help release your number also without reprisals to the channel partner in question.</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri">Tell your friends tell your coworkers but most of all tell the man in the mirror (</font><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9lq8oaK5Mw" target="_blank"><font size="3" face="Calibri">ala Michael Jackson</font></a><font size="3" face="Calibri">) it’s wrong so let’s clean it up!<span> </span>There is an effort to identify the fraudulent associations so please take advantage of this amnesty before you get a letter from Cisco about your CCIE number being revoked!</font></p>
<p style="margin: 0in 0in 10pt;"><font size="3" face="Calibri"> </font>Thanks<br>Larry Hadrava<br>CCIE #12203 CCNP <br>Sr. Support Engineer – IPexpert, Inc.<br>URL: <a href="http://www.ipexpert.com/" target="_blank">http://www.IPexpert.com</a><br>
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