<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>We are a Cisco shop, end-to-end. There might be a few Allied-Telesyn transceivers in the mix somewhere, but no one will admit to that. ;)<br><br>We're using spare-dense mode. It was funny, Cistera (and another client of their's) told us, this thing works out of the box, if it doesn't, your multicast isn't set up properly. They were spot on. After a few ACL modifications (boy, does ip deny any any "log" really help), things were working without a hitch.<br><br>They even went beyond the call of duty and provided us with log analysis results which showed step by step time stamps of the paging process.<br><br><br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Rob Leetun" <rleetun@bouldercounty.org><br>To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>, "Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:06:10 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: RE: Spam: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Hi Lelio,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Are you using sparse/dense, sparse, or dense mode in your
environment? Is your environment a full Cicso too? Thanks.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Rob</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Robert Leetun</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Network Engineer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Boulder County Information Technology</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">2025 14th Street</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Boulder, CO 80302</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">303 441-3866 (W)</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue;">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";"> Lelio Fulgenzi
[mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wes Sisk<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net; Leetun, Rob<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Spam: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For audio pages, the Cistera application uses CTI super
providers to instruct phones to join a multi-cast stream. Once all phones have
joined, it begins the multi-cast stream. It's not bad - we can get about 4000
phones subscribed in under 1 minute.<br>
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<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com><br>
To: "Rob Leetun" <rleetun@bouldercounty.org><br>
Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>,
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:24:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: Spam: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br>
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All applications I have seen use HTTP post to the phones.<br>
<br>
There is another method of pushing the XML instructions via a CTI connection
through CM. This is typically even more limited as CM cannot process large
number of phones concurrently. This would be more restrictive than
distributed TCP sessions with distributed authentication URL's.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
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On Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:36:13 PM , Leetun, Rob <a href="mailto:rleetun@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank"><rleetun@bouldercounty.org></a>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Wes,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Do
you know how IP Celerate or Syn-Apps access the ip phones for a page? </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Cheers</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Rob</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Robert
Leetun</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Network
Engineer</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Boulder
County Information Technology</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">2025
14th Street</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">Boulder,
CO 80302</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">303
441-3866 (W)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="">303
441-3983 (F)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style=""><b>From:</b>
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wes Sisk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Spam: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Initial
delivery, yes. After first successful authentication the phone caches the
success.<br>
<br>
1st page out to 200 phones - 200 phones hit authenticate.jsp and must be
authenticated.<br>
2nd page out to 2000 phones including the 200 phones that got the first page -
only 1800 phones hit authenticate.jsp and await response.<br>
<br>
Several vendors work around this by hosting their own authentication URL.
That URL returns success only if it is the username and password for their
application. All other http requests are passed through to CM. This
is also the workaround for anyone on older versions of CM.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:05:55 PM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">Does
this mean if a third party takes advantage of this, they can speed up message
delivery on UCM6/7 deployments over CCM4 deployments?<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com" target="_blank"><wsisk@cisco.com></a><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a><br>
Cc: "Denis Pointer" <a href="mailto:denis.mailer@gmail.com" target="_blank"><denis.mailer@gmail.com></a>,
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:48:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br>
<br>
There is also an added bit of scalability fun for the authentication URL for
UCM deployments:<br>
<br>
CSCsu87230 XMLPost to phones delayed or failed due to
authenticate.jsp <br>
<br>
In versions with this resolved performance finally exceeds the authentication
rate we observed in CM4.x.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:16:06 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">If
you've hit 2000 phones and are likely to get more, you might have to start
looking at Cistera. They are the only one that I am aware of that can control
more than 2000 phones on one appliance. Granted, I didn't look hard at SYNAPPS
or Berbee, but we didn't like them for the fact they are on a Windows based
platform. Cistera is on Linux. IPCelerate definately need multiple servers
which would make administration a pain for us with almost 8000 endpoints.<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Denis Pointer" <a href="mailto:denis.mailer@gmail.com" target="_blank"><denis.mailer@gmail.com></a><br>
To: "Rob Leetun" <a href="mailto:rleetun@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank"><rleetun@bouldercounty.org></a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:04:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br>
<br>
if you have 2000 end points CME is out, are you running Call Manager
already? If so you will need to look at 3rd party application to
integrate with CUCM. We have used SingleWire InformaCast with good
success (formerly know as Berbee) I have heard some good things about
IPcelerate and Syn-apps as well, but I don't have any experience with them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="">On
Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Leetun, Rob <<a href="mailto:rleetun@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p>I am trying to find out if and how good is CME for ip phone paging? I
have about 2000 end points across a fiber network. I need to be able to
page to the speaker of each phone at least. We currently have a solution,
but are starting to entertain other possible solutions.</p>
<p> </p>
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<p>Cheers</p>
<div>
<p> </p>
<p>Rob</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Robert Leetun</p>
<p>Network Engineer</p>
<p>Boulder County Information Technology</p>
<p>2025 14th Street</p>
<p>Boulder, CO 80302</p>
<p>303 441-3866 (W)</p>
<p>303 441-3983 (F)</p>
<p><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a></p>
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<p><b>From:</b> Voice Noob [mailto:<a href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com" target="_blank">voicenoob@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leetun, Rob; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone</p>
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<p> </p>
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<p>Why is CME not working for a paging? How many phones are you trying to send
to? I have not had a problem using CME to page.</p>
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<p><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leetun, Rob<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone</p>
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<p> </p>
<p>Hi,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Has anyone used CME to page to every phone? I need to find a possible
other paging solution. Thanks.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Rob</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Robert Leetun</p>
<p>Network Engineer</p>
<p>Boulder County Information Technology</p>
<p>2025 14th Street</p>
<p>Boulder, CO 80302</p>
<p>303 441-3866 (W)</p>
<p>303 441-3983 (F)</p>
<p><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a></p>
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