<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>For audio pages, the Cistera application uses CTI super providers to instruct phones to join a multi-cast stream. Once all phones have joined, it begins the multi-cast stream. It's not bad - we can get about 4000 phones subscribed in under 1 minute.<br><br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com><br>To: "Rob Leetun" <rleetun@bouldercounty.org><br>Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>, cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:24:40 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: Spam: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br><br>
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All applications I have seen use HTTP post to the phones.<br>
<br>
There is another method of pushing the XML instructions via a CTI
connection through CM. This is typically even more limited as CM cannot
process large number of phones concurrently. This would be more
restrictive than distributed TCP sessions with distributed
authentication URL's.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Thursday, July 30, 2009 1:36:13 PM , Leetun, Rob
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rleetun@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank"><rleetun@bouldercounty.org></a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Wes,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Do
you know how IP Celerate or Syn-Apps access the ip phones for
a page? </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Cheers</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Rob</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Robert
Leetun</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Network
Engineer</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Boulder
County Information Technology</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">2025
14th Street</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Boulder,
CO 80302</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">303
441-3866 (W)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">303
441-3983 (F)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank"><span style="color: blue;">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</span></a></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: windowtext;">
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wes
Sisk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:26 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Spam: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every
phone</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Initial delivery, yes. After first successful
authentication the phone caches the success.<br>
<br>
1st page out to 200 phones - 200 phones hit authenticate.jsp and must
be
authenticated.<br>
2nd page out to 2000 phones including the 200 phones that got the first
page -
only 1800 phones hit authenticate.jsp and await response.<br>
<br>
Several vendors work around this by hosting their own authentication
URL.
That URL returns success only if it is the username and password for
their
application. All other http requests are passed through to CM. This
is also the workaround for anyone on older versions of CM.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Thursday, July 30, 2009 12:05:55 PM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Does this mean if a third party takes advantage
of this,
they can speed up message delivery on UCM6/7 deployments over CCM4
deployments?<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com" target="_blank"><wsisk@cisco.com></a><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a><br>
Cc: "Denis Pointer" <a href="mailto:denis.mailer@gmail.com" target="_blank"><denis.mailer@gmail.com></a>,
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:48:51 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br>
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There is also an added bit of scalability fun for the authentication
URL for
UCM deployments:<br>
<br>
CSCsu87230 XMLPost to phones delayed or failed due to
authenticate.jsp <br>
<br>
In versions with this resolved performance finally exceeds the
authentication
rate we observed in CM4.x.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:16:06 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;">If you've hit 2000
phones and
are likely to get more, you might have to start looking at Cistera.
They are
the only one that I am aware of that can control more than 2000 phones
on one
appliance. Granted, I didn't look hard at SYNAPPS or Berbee, but we
didn't like
them for the fact they are on a Windows based platform. Cistera is on
Linux.
IPCelerate definately need multiple servers which would make
administration a
pain for us with almost 8000 endpoints.<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Denis Pointer" <a href="mailto:denis.mailer@gmail.com" target="_blank"><denis.mailer@gmail.com></a><br>
To: "Rob Leetun" <a href="mailto:rleetun@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank"><rleetun@bouldercounty.org></a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 11:04:19 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone<br>
<br>
if you have 2000 end points CME is out, are you running Call Manager
already? If so you will need to look at 3rd party application to
integrate with CUCM. We have used SingleWire InformaCast with good
success (formerly know as Berbee) I have heard some good things about
IPcelerate and Syn-apps as well, but I don't have any experience with
them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Leetun, Rob <<a href="mailto:rleetun@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a>>
wrote:</p>
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<p>I am trying to find out if and how good is CME for ip phone
paging? I
have about 2000 end points across a fiber network. I need to be able
to
page to the speaker of each phone at least. We currently have a
solution,
but are starting to entertain other possible solutions.</p>
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<p>Cheers</p>
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<p> </p>
<p>Rob</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Robert Leetun</p>
<p>Network Engineer</p>
<p>Boulder County Information Technology</p>
<p>2025 14th Street</p>
<p>Boulder, CO 80302</p>
<p>303 441-3866 (W)</p>
<p>303 441-3983 (F)</p>
<p><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a></p>
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<p><b>From:</b> Voice Noob [mailto:<a href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com" target="_blank">voicenoob@gmail.com</a>]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Leetun, Rob; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone</p>
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<p>Why is CME not working for a paging? How many phones are you
trying to send
to? I have not had a problem using CME to page.</p>
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<p><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Leetun, Rob<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 30, 2009 9:16 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Using CME to page to every phone</p>
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<p>Hi,</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Has anyone used CME to page to every phone? I need to find a
possible
other paging solution. Thanks.</p>
<p> </p>
<p> </p>
<p>Rob</p>
<p> </p>
<p>Robert Leetun</p>
<p>Network Engineer</p>
<p>Boulder County Information Technology</p>
<p>2025 14th Street</p>
<p>Boulder, CO 80302</p>
<p>303 441-3866 (W)</p>
<p>303 441-3983 (F)</p>
<p><a href="mailto:arees@bouldercounty.org" target="_blank">rleetun@bouldercounty.org</a></p>
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