<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>thanks Wes.<br><br>i think we'll start DMA sooner rather than later. <br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com><br>To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net, "Mike O" <mikeeo@msn.com><br>Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br><br>
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MANY variables:<br>
how many times upgraded<br>
how many interim versions were run<br>
what native or 3rd party tools attempted to modify the database<br>
who attempted directly editing the database<br>
how many dbl/iis problems have been encountered? Unfortunately
transactions were not strictly enforced so when problems occured there
were partial commits to the database<br>
Is enterprise LDAP integration used? This is probably the largest
contributor to errors. When objects move in the enterprise there is no
change notification to CM (unity tried but CN from AD appears rather
unreliable) so CM ends up with numerous broken pointers in the database.<br>
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The other systemic problem is that 4.x enforced business rules via DBL
rather than directly in the database. Think of having a guard in front
of your storage room, but your storage room has no shelves. Users must
verify with the guard but once inside they have free reign and very
little structure.<br>
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/Wes<br>
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On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:07:05 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi
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<div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">well,
this doesn't sound promising. what kind of garbage exists in 4.x
databases?<br>
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<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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From: "Wes Sisk" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com" target="_blank"><wsisk@cisco.com></a><br>
To: "Mike O" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com" target="_blank"><mikeeo@msn.com></a><br>
Cc: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:49:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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imho. run DMA. it it works for you then that is the shortest path.<br>
if DMA reports errors that you cannot easily repair then stare and
compare.<br>
<br>
dma has improved significantly and even better with 7.1. however,
there is so much garbage possible in 4.x databases that the migration
tool simply cannot always be accurate.<br>
/wes<br>
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On Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:12:39 PM , Mike O <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com" target="_blank"><mikeeo@msn.com></a>
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<div><font size="2" face="Arial">I have to migrate about 50
users/phone, whats the best way? DMA or start from scratch? </font></div>
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