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Technically yes, but it's not really recommended. It generates
significant database activity, consumes some CPU, and generates
reasonable disk i/o. It is MUCH less intrusive if you exclude CDR's.
It only runs on the publisher so if you don't have phones registered to
ccm.exe on the pub you can run most any time.<br>
<br>
Note there have been a few impactful issues with previous versions of
DMA, CSCsz63731 comes to mind. This would clearly impact a production
environment.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
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On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:20:25 PM , Lelio Fulgenzi
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style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Can
you run the DMA process itself during business hours?<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
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To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a><br>
Cc: "Wes Sisk" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com"><wsisk@cisco.com></a>, <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:56:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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Keep in mind Wes always sees the problem childs... :)<br>
<br>
I've done many 4.1 to appliance upgrades including some with AD
integration and have never had any significant problems. I've had to
deal with some DMA warnings but I can usually work them out.<br>
<br>
That being said, I would definitely run DMA well in advance of your
upgrade to make sure it is completing successfully prior to your
upgrade window. You can then rerun DMA during your upgrade window to
get a new current copy of the 4.1 DB and use that for your upgrade.<br>
<br>
BAT can export some phone data, but you'll lose things like ccmuser
speed dials, pab/fd, etc - one of the reasons I always try to use DMA.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Lelio
Fulgenzi <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>></span>
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<div
style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">thanks
Wes.<br>
<br>
i think we'll start DMA sooner rather than later. <br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
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<div class="h5">To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>, "Mike O" <<a
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Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada
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Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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MANY variables:<br>
how many times upgraded<br>
how many interim versions were run<br>
what native or 3rd party tools attempted to modify the database<br>
who attempted directly editing the database<br>
how many dbl/iis problems have been encountered? Unfortunately
transactions were not strictly enforced so when problems occured there
were partial commits to the database<br>
Is enterprise LDAP integration used? This is probably the largest
contributor to errors. When objects move in the enterprise there is no
change notification to CM (unity tried but CN from AD appears rather
unreliable) so CM ends up with numerous broken pointers in the database.<br>
<br>
The other systemic problem is that 4.x enforced business rules via DBL
rather than directly in the database. Think of having a guard in front
of your storage room, but your storage room has no shelves. Users must
verify with the guard but once inside they have free reign and very
little structure.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
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On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:07:05 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi
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<div
style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">well,
this doesn't sound promising. what kind of garbage exists in 4.x
databases?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
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To: "Mike O" <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com"
target="_blank"><mikeeo@msn.com></a><br>
Cc: <a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:49:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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imho. run DMA. it it works for you then that is the shortest path.<br>
if DMA reports errors that you cannot easily repair then stare and
compare.<br>
<br>
dma has improved significantly and even better with 7.1. however,
there is so much garbage possible in 4.x databases that the migration
tool simply cannot always be accurate.<br>
/wes<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:12:39 PM , Mike O <a
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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I have to migrate about 50
users/phone, whats the best way? DMA or start from scratch? </font></div>
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