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color:#1F497D'>I would do a full DMA Export than test restore in VMWare/lab to
see how long, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
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cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Cristobal Priego<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think is going to take like 10 hours<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I just upgraded a cluster today and they had 72 phones and
it took 2 hours to complete the Dma backup<br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:13 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>Thanks Wes. How long does the process take to run? 1 hr? 4 hr? We
have about 7500 end devices.<br>
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---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <<a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com">wsisk@cisco.com</a>><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
Cc: "Justin Steinberg" <<a href="mailto:jsteinberg@gmail.com">jsteinberg@gmail.com</a>>,
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:20:58 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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Technically yes, but it's not really recommended. It generates significant
database activity, consumes some CPU, and generates reasonable disk i/o.
It is MUCH less intrusive if you exclude CDR's. It only runs on the
publisher so if you don't have phones registered to ccm.exe on the pub you can
run most any time.<br>
<br>
Note there have been a few impactful issues with previous versions of DMA,
CSCsz63731 comes to mind. This would clearly impact a production
environment.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:20:25 PM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><</a><a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>Can you run the DMA process
itself during business hours?<br>
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---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Justin Steinberg" <a href="mailto:jsteinberg@gmail.com"
target="_blank"><</a><a href="mailto:jsteinberg@gmail.com">jsteinberg@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target="_blank"><</a><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
Cc: "Wes Sisk" <a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com" target="_blank"><</a><a
href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com">wsisk@cisco.com</a>>, <a
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:56:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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Keep in mind Wes always sees the problem childs... :)<br>
<br>
I've done many 4.1 to appliance upgrades including some with AD integration and
have never had any significant problems. I've had to deal with some DMA
warnings but I can usually work them out.<br>
<br>
That being said, I would definitely run DMA well in advance of your upgrade to
make sure it is completing successfully prior to your upgrade window. You
can then rerun DMA during your upgrade window to get a new current copy of the
4.1 DB and use that for your upgrade.<br>
<br>
BAT can export some phone data, but you'll lose things like ccmuser speed
dials, pab/fd, etc - one of the reasons I always try to use DMA.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>thanks Wes.<br>
<br>
i think we'll start DMA sooner rather than later. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'><br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <<a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com">wsisk@cisco.com</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:black'>To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>,
"Mike O" <<a href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com">mikeeo@msn.com</a>><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:04:48 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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MANY variables:<br>
how many times upgraded<br>
how many interim versions were run<br>
what native or 3rd party tools attempted to modify the database<br>
who attempted directly editing the database<br>
how many dbl/iis problems have been encountered? Unfortunately
transactions were not strictly enforced so when problems occured there were
partial commits to the database<br>
Is enterprise LDAP integration used? This is probably the largest
contributor to errors. When objects move in the enterprise there is no change
notification to CM (unity tried but CN from AD appears rather unreliable) so CM
ends up with numerous broken pointers in the database.<br>
<br>
The other systemic problem is that 4.x enforced business rules via DBL rather
than directly in the database. Think of having a guard in front of your
storage room, but your storage room has no shelves. Users must verify
with the guard but once inside they have free reign and very little structure.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:07:05 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><</a><a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:black'>well, this doesn't sound promising. what kind of garbage exists in
4.x databases?<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com" target="_blank"><</a><a
href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com">wsisk@cisco.com</a>><br>
To: "Mike O" <a href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com" target="_blank"><</a><a
href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com">mikeeo@msn.com</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:49:47 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CM 4.1.3 to Cisco BE 7.0<br>
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imho. run DMA. it it works for you then that is the shortest path.<br>
if DMA reports errors that you cannot easily repair then stare and compare.<br>
<br>
dma has improved significantly and even better with 7.1. however, there
is so much garbage possible in 4.x databases that the migration tool simply
cannot always be accurate.<br>
/wes<br>
<br>
On Tuesday, August 11, 2009 9:12:39 PM , Mike O <a href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com"
target="_blank"><</a><a href="mailto:mikeeo@msn.com">mikeeo@msn.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:black'>I have to migrate about 50 users/phone, whats the best way? DMA or
start from scratch? </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
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