<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I think many share you point of view. I think the original question was referring to a new install?<br><br>We don't upgrade unless we have to or there is a new feature we require or a bug fix. For many of the reasons you describe.<br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Go0se" <me@go0se.com><br>To: "Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com>, "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br>Cc: cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 10:59:22 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] Call for opinions; 6.1.3 or 6.1.4?<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">IMHO I always err towards the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”
school of thought. If I’m on a version that has all of the features I need and
is stable and functioning properly (for me) and I feel it is secured properly (firewalled
off from the Internets), I won’t rush out to apply the latest release the day after
it is posted. I typically would recommend applying the “latest and greatest” stable
version (a version that is at least a week old) usually quarterly, simply to
keep from getting too far behind. I stay away from the “bleeding edge” releases.
Cisco is notorious for releasing a “12.x(x)” code and then three or four days
later releasing a “12.x(x)a” code that fixes a bunch of bugs in the first
release.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Having said all of that, if I have any major issues I’ll check
the latest code for bug fixes related to my issues and typically try the new code
before calling TAC.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">-Go0se</span></p>
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[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Wes Sisk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Call for opinions; 6.1.3 or 6.1.4?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">IMHO this is very critical. If you come to me for support I
cannot give you a "minimal set" change between where you are and
where the fix is available. You are going to get all of the changes from
6.1.3 to 6.1.4 in addition to any new fix that is tailored to your
environment. I may be a bit biased as my business leads me to expect
things to be broken. To that end it appears prudent to get as close as
possible to any patches that may be necessary.<br>
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I would very much like to hear the positions of others.<br>
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/Wes<br>
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On Tuesday, September 01, 2009 9:25:24 AM , Lelio Fulgenzi <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif";">Ah,
yes, that's another way to look at it. As each dot.dot release is released, the
previous likely gets shelved for development.<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Wes Sisk" <a href="mailto:wsisk@cisco.com" target="_blank"><wsisk@cisco.com></a><br>
To: "STEVEN CASPER" <a href="mailto:SCASPER@mtb.com" target="_blank"><SCASPER@mtb.com></a><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>,
<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a><br>
Sent: Tuesday, September 1, 2009 9:04:59 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Call for opinions; 6.1.3 or 6.1.4?<br>
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6.1(3) is "done" meaning no more ES will be built for it. If you
upgrade to 6.1.3 and encounter a serious issue Cisco will require you to
upgrade to 6.1.4 or an engineering special of 6.1.4 to get a fix.<br>
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net: 6.1(4) is the "best" place to be currently.<br>
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/Wes<br>
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On Tuesday, September 01, 2009 6:18:50 AM , STEVEN CASPER <a href="mailto:SCASPER@mtb.com" target="_blank"><SCASPER@mtb.com></a>
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<pre>I believe 6.1.4 fixes the Denial of Service vulnerabilities recently reported.</pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre>
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<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><pre>Lelio Fulgenzi <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><lelio@uoguelph.ca></a> 08/31/09 11:25 PM >>></pre><pre> </pre></blockquote>
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<pre>Not easy, but necessary. Even taking a look at SEV 1/2 bugs should be enough. Also, my understanding is that ES's are no longer what ES's were in the days of 3.x and 4.x (possibly 5.x). They're not built for individual customers like they used to be, but essentially, they are what service packs used to be. Granted they're not published for some reason. </pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre><pre>--- </pre><pre>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. </pre><pre>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 </pre><pre>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN) </pre><pre>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ </pre><pre>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt </pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre><pre>----- Original Message ----- </pre><pre>From: "Brandon Phelps" <a href="mailto:btphelps@atomicnets.com" target="_blank"><btphelps@atomicnets.com></a> </pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a> </pre><pre>Sent: Monday, August 31, 2009 10:00:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern </pre><pre>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Call for opinions; 6.1.3 or 6.1.4? </pre><pre> </pre><pre>meh, thats easy to do. Looking more for opinions and anecdotes. </pre><pre> </pre><pre>Would most people install an ES without having a specific reason for </pre><pre>doing so? </pre><pre> </pre><pre>B </pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre><pre>Lelio Fulgenzi wrote: </pre><pre> </pre>
<blockquote style="margin-top: 5pt; margin-bottom: 5pt;"><pre>I think you'll hear from Cisco TAC over and over, always use the latest </pre><pre>version and the latest ES. Nowadays, especially from x.x.3 to x.x.4 it's </pre><pre>not feature enhancements but bug fixes mostly. Or so we're told. Take a </pre><pre>look at the bug list, see if there are any that stand out and not work </pre><pre>for you. </pre><pre> </pre><pre>--- </pre><pre>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A. </pre><pre>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1 </pre><pre>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN) </pre><pre>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ </pre><pre>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt </pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre><pre>----- Original Message ----- </pre><pre>From: "Brandon Phelps" <a href="mailto:btphelps@atomicnets.com" target="_blank"><btphelps@atomicnets.com></a> </pre><pre>To: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a> </pre><pre>Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:35:38 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern </pre><pre>Subject: [cisco-voip] Call for opinions; 6.1.3 or 6.1.4? </pre><pre> </pre><pre>Which one is more stable? </pre><pre> </pre><pre>CUCM 6.1.3 or 6.1.4? </pre><pre>_______________________________________________ </pre><pre>cisco-voip mailing list </pre><pre><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a> </pre><pre><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a> </pre><pre> </pre><pre> </pre><pre>------------------------------------------------------------------------ </pre><pre> </pre><pre>_______________________________________________ </pre><pre>cisco-voip mailing list </pre><pre><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a> </pre><pre><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a> </pre><pre> </pre></blockquote>
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