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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>All the info is now out publically:</span> <span
style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/routers/networking_solutions_products_genericcontent0900aecd806cab99.html#~all-prod<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Matthew Loraditch</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
1965 Greenspring Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Timonium, MD 21093 <br>
<a href="mailto:support@heliontechnologies.com"><span style='color:black'>support@heliontechnologies.com</span></a><br>
(p) (410) 252-8830<br>
(F) (443) 541-1593<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Matthew Loraditch<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:31 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Voice Noob; 'Sean Walberg'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] New ISR Routers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Appletalk is discontinued in IOS15 which is the minimum for the
new routers and the new licensing only applies for the new routers so you
actually won’t have a choice in the matter, but your situation is what TAC is
for, I think they might also have an automated way to do what you want.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Matthew Loraditch</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><br>
1965 Greenspring Drive<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:black'>Timonium, MD 21093 <br>
<a href="mailto:support@heliontechnologies.com"><span style='color:black'>support@heliontechnologies.com</span></a><br>
(p) (410) 252-8830<br>
(F) (443) 541-1593<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Voice Noob<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Sean Walberg'; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] New ISR Routers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If you pay a 100% premium and the only justification you have is
that you don’t have to deal with a license key you may be looking at the wrong
products. You may be a better fit for low end gear. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Sean Walberg [mailto:swalberg@gmail.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Voice Noob<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] New ISR Routers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I pay a lot more for Cisco stuff because they're not like
everyone else. If I wanted something like another vendor, I'd buy from another
vendor that's a lot cheaper.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>This is just one more thing that can go wrong. Router blows
up in the middle of the night and you want to replace it with a spare until the
RMA comes through on the new one? Not anymore (assuming you need some
features that aren't in ip base - we still use appletalk here)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As a network guy I've been able to justify paying a 100%
premium for Cisco gear over the likes of HP and Dell because it's always been
frictionless to deal with Cisco. Over the past several years it's been harder
and harder. You used to be able to call TAC without a serial number and they'd
help you out. Lots of little things that one can look at and say that
"that change is perfectly reasonable", but when you look at it as a
whole you wonder why you're paying so much for something that's just like
everyone else.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Sean<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Voice Noob <<a
href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com">voicenoob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>I stopped myself from hijacking the other thread going around but I wanted
to respond and get others input. What is the problem with getting the keys from
Cisco? This is not a new concept with other vendors. <o:p></o:p></p>
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