Huh. Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was just a gateway option. <br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 10:31 AM, Ryan Ratliff <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div style="WORD-WRAP: break-word">You define the SIP gateway in CUCM as a SIP trunk. That's what he is referring to.
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<div>On Nov 4, 2009, at 11:26 AM, Voice Noob wrote:</div><br>Thanks for your response. You mentioned SIP trunks in your respoonse. Just to verify again I am NOT talking about a SIP trunk. I am talking at a SIP gateway.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Nick Matthews <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matthnick@gmail.com" target="_blank">matthnick@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">I think there are a few different factors - but it's the protocol I<br>would use if I was administering my network.<br>
<br>We see a lot of SIP gateways, and it's definitely being deployed.<br><br>Some of the advantages:<br>-Easy to troubleshoot. You can read up on SIP and learn the basics<br>2-3x faster than other protocols. It's clear and concise for the most<br>
part.<br>-Interop. Most of the new devices coming out are all running SIP.<br>You'll have less pain with SIP-SIP than SIP-H323 or SIP-MGCP, plus<br>experience with it already.<br>-Easier transition to SIP as your PSTN connection (last post) if/when<br>
you decide to make that jump.<br>-If you're already running H323, switching over is pretty easy.<br><br>Other considerations:<br>-H323 is still the best at video, and for a while, there doesn't<br>appear to be any real alternatives.<br>
-MGCP is still the only 'centralized dial plan' protocol where you<br>don't have to do anything on your gateways at all. If you're not good<br>with IOS and just 'want it to work', this is still the protocol to<br>
look at. It comes with it's own troubles, bugs, and instability<br>because of it.<br>-Some older devices don't support SIP yet, and you may still be<br>running H323 in the network anyways.<br>-For more advanced call flows and designs, you may run into some<br>
unsupported features. (Like using ANN for ringback, I think that is<br>still H323 only).<br>-I would recommend CUCM 6.x+ and 12.4(20)T and later for SIP trunks.<br>If you have older platforms like the 3700, CMM, that won't run 20.T, I<br>
would stick to your existing protocol. Likewise for CUCM versions<br>prior to 6.x. The SIP stacks in the versions prior just aren't as<br>stable or have as many features.<br><font color="#888888"><br><br>-nick<br></font>
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<div><br><br>On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 8:37 AM, VoiceNoob <<a href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com" target="_blank">voicenoob@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Nick that is what I am asking. I in no way want to go with a SIP trunk to<br>
> the PSTN I just want to use SIP as my gateway protocol. So the Telco still<br>> hands me a PRI / FXO lines and instead of using MGCP or H.323 I would use<br>> SIP. As far as why drop H.323 I don’t have a reason to but when doing new<br>
> customer deployments I don’t want to put one thing in and then migrate to<br>> something else two years down the road.<br>><br>><br>><br>> So I ask my question again has anyone used SIP as their GW protocol instead<br>
> of H.323? Any problems or things I should look for? Should I just not do it<br>> yet.<br>><br>><br>><br>> From: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a><br>
> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] On Behalf Of Tim Smith<br>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:07 PM<br>> To: Nick Matthews<br>
> Cc: CiscosupportUpuck<br>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP as a gateway Protocol<br>><br>><br>><br>> Hi Nick,<br>><br>><br>><br>> What about using SIP just as protocol to replace H323 / MGCP between CCM and<br>
> your Voice Gateway?<br>><br>><br>><br>> Cheers,<br>><br>><br>><br>> Tim<br>><br>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 2:46 PM, Nick Matthews <<a href="mailto:matthnick@gmail.com" target="_blank">matthnick@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>> You can get an over-the-top SIP provider, but if you get voice quality<br>> problems you'll have some trouble getting your ISP and SIP provider to<br>> play nicely. Once it leaves your gateway you can't prove who may be<br>
> causing the problem if there is jitter or packet loss. Your ISP<br>> probably won't have any idea how to deal with it, because for<br>> traditional data these types of packet problems do not have much<br>> consequence.<br>
><br>> If you're cool with that, there are hundreds of providers of varying<br>> quality.<br>><br>> The suggestion is still to go with the data line from the SIP<br>> provider. You may be able to save some money on equipment<br>
> consolidation or pricing depending on your volume / area as well.<br>> It's not the best scenario for every case, but there are certainly<br>> cases where it makes since and these cases are growing.<br>><br>
><br>> -nick<br>><br>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:thsglobal@gmail.com" target="_blank">thsglobal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>> We dont have too many SIP providers here in Oz at the moment anyway.<br>
>> We were talking about just using SIP between CCM and the Gateway. Vs MGCP<br>>> and H323.<br>>><br>>> Fax / modem could definitely be a good point though.<br>>><br>>> Cheers,<br>>><br>
>> Tim.<br>>><br>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<br>>>><br>>>> From our initial conversations with our PSTN providers, SIP was a few<br>
>>> years away with feature parity with H323/MGCP/PRI trunks.<br>>>><br>>>> FAX support was definately out of the question, and there were crazy<br>>>> requirements about not being able to do voice only on the ethernet trunk.<br>
>>> We<br>>>> had to buy a data package that was no more than 50% voice traffic. For<br>>>> us,<br>>>> we get our internet through our regional network at dirt cheap prices<br>>>> because we basically run a co-op. For others it might make sense to move<br>
>>> to<br>>>> the same PSTN/SIP/Internet carrier, but for us it didn't. Even our backup<br>>>> internet link is cheaper than the PSTN provider could price I believe.<br>>>><br>>>> The other thing was route diversity and multiple demarcs. I think those<br>
>>> were quite expensive where as now, we get it at no extra cost.<br>>>><br>>>> I've long been a proponent of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Even when<br>>>> we went to tender and ended up switching our PRIs to another local<br>
>>> carrier,<br>>>> it was a LOT of work. I understood it saved us quite a bit of money, so<br>>>> it<br>>>> was worth it in the end for a three year contract. That being said, don't<br>
>>> expect that SIP will be cheaper than PRIs and/or without it's own<br>>>> problems.<br>>>><br>>>> Caveat Emptor as my friend Caesar said.<br>>>><br>>>><br>>>> ----- Original Message -----<br>
>>> From: Tim Smith<br>>>> To: STEVEN CASPER<br>>>> Cc: CiscosupportUpuck<br>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:46 PM<br>>>> Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] SIP as a gateway Protocol<br>
>>> Also, SIP is slightly easier to troubleshoot than H323, much more so than<br>>>> MGCP. (And I also dont like MGCP anyway :)<br>>>><br>>>> Cheers,<br>>>><br>>>> Tim.<br>
>>><br>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:thsglobal@gmail.com" target="_blank">thsglobal@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>>>>><br>>>>> I like the idea.<br>
>>>><br>>>>> More and more SIP trunks will be turning up. Why bother having to go<br>>>>> from<br>>>>> H323 to SIP. Simpler just to run SIP.<br>>>>><br>>>>> I also like SIP and how you can set it up to monitor the destination of<br>
>>>> your dial-peers. Shut them down if a CCM is down.<br>>>>><br>>>>> Cheers,<br>>>>><br>>>>> Tim<br>>>>><br>>>>> On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 12:25 PM, STEVEN CASPER <<a href="mailto:SCASPER@mtb.com" target="_blank">SCASPER@mtb.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> I assume you are talking traditional analog and digital PSTN<br>>>>>> gateways, why are you considering migrating to SIP to control these as<br>>>>>> opposed to H323? .<br>
>>>>><br>>>>>> Steve<br>>>>>><br>>>>>> >>> Voice Noob <<a href="mailto:voicenoob@gmail.com" target="_blank">voicenoob@gmail.com</a>> 11/3/2009 6:09 PM >>><br>
>>>>> Has anyone started using SIP on the PSTN gateway? I want to use it<br>>>>>> instead of H.323 or MGCP and start migrating it to SIP on the gateway.<br>>>>>> Any<br>>>>>> experience with this? Can I get Calling Name and Number from the PSTN<br>
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