<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>Don't think of it as a penalty, think of it as a price break. ;)<br><br>If you buy a 7815 for $1000 which has a <span style="font-style: italic;">potential</span> to service 100 phones (remember, you still have to buy the licenses for those 100 phones), if you move to a 7845 that can service up to 5000 phones, the software is worth more because it can do more.<br><br>It's like comparing Windows 2000 Server base to Windows 2000 Server Enterprise/Data Centre.<br><br>The part that irked me more was the "migration" charge moving from one server to another server in the same class!<br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>"Bad grammar makes me [sic]" - Tshirt<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Jason Aarons (US)" <jason.aarons@us.didata.com><br>To: "Mike O" <mikeeo@msn.com>, "Edward Countryman" <Edward.Countryman@provena.org>, cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 2:44:37 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] call manager licensing<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I’ve never understood why the penalty
for using better hardware. i.e. 7825 vs 7845. I want the highest end fully
redundant hardware even if my customer is small, yet the Linux Node licensing
costs prevent that. Small shops end up buying something with single EIDE drives
that have controller failures!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I miss the Good O’l days. Next
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Mike O<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, November 13, 2009 2:02 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Countryman, Edward; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] call manager licensing</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Ed,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">In
regards to ESW & UCSS you need both in order to be complaint and eligible
for upgrades. UCSS ties to the ESW contract # for the given product and
when you register UCSS you must input the ESW contract #.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">UCSS
for Call Manager is based on node licenses for example a 7816-CCM SKU comes
with a CCM node license for 500 users and the corresponding UCSS sku and ESW
would be for 500 users. If you used the PUT tool you would receive a CM PAK key
for 500 users. If you purchased CUWL you would be required to purchase
ESW&UCSS for 3 years as its bundled with CUWL.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">HTH,</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Mike</span><span style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman","serif";"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" title="cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"> Friday, November 13,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Arial","sans-serif";"> [cisco-voip] call
manager licensing</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span style="font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-weight: normal;">Ever since we upgrade from 4.1 to 6.1 last
spring I have been confused about how CCM licensing from Cisco works, what is
really needed etc. I know I need DLU’s for phones and I
think I understand that. What confuses me is how the server nodes
are licensed and how ESW, UCSS is licensed. There is a persistent
reference to “number of users” however no where can I find a definition of
“user” for this purpose. Can anyone give me the “101” on call
manager licensing, ESW and UCSS? </span></strong><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"></span></p>
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