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To the casual observe that might be interpreted as an 'upgrade'. At any
level of investigation you are describing a full system replacement.
If considered a system replacement then the amounts don't appear so
astounding. A few things stick out there:<br>
<br>
- With 75 phones, why not use CME and CUE? Using full CM and Unity or
UC there seems like using an M1 tank for a daily 10 mile commute over
paved roads in generally peaceful territory. Sure, you can do it, but
why? If that is the choice then there are going to be significant
operating costs.<br>
<br>
- There is no software "upgrade" from CM4.1 to CUCMBE because there is
no equivalent to CUCMBE in the CM4.x world. As Lelio states the
closest thing was the ICS-7750 which has long been EoL and EoS.
Further there is no no hardware that will run both CM4.x and CM7.x
CUCMBE so the chosen path requires hardware replacement. These are
like options on a new car. Checking a few boxes can significantly
increase cost.<br>
<br>
- In terms of lifecycle this is pretty late in the game. Delaying this
long to consider an upgrade from 4.x to 7.x or later allows every one
else to takes the bumps and bruises of new discovery. At this point
it's pretty well proven. The tools and tricks are available. Even for
a migration as you desire there is community knowledge to perform a
data export in CM4.x and then bulk insert the configuration back into
CM7.x.<br>
<br>
/Wes<br>
<br>
<br>
On Wednesday, November 25, 2009 6:56:07 PM, David Zhars
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dzhars@gmail.com"><dzhars@gmail.com></a> wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:1a594c810911251556k5ce63030j959e300dccddc819@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">A small installation, maybe 75 phones. To go to 7 was
almost $35,000. Of course, some of this included the VAR's work (from
previous posts it does sound like you have to spend a lot of time
manually re-entering lots of information). This was also to go from
Full CCM and Unity to the Business Edition. So yes, I was horrified!
Maybe I need to look for a different VAR, though he has always seemed
to steer me right.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Jonathan
Charles <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jonvoip@gmail.com">jonvoip@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">What
were you horrified by?<br>
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Jonathan<br>
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On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:48 PM, David Zhars <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dzhars@gmail.com">dzhars@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> My VAR related this to me the other day (we are 4.1x shop):<br>
><br>
> I can tell you that there are MANY MANY 4.x installations still
out there.<br>
> Some have said they will go it alone beyond 2011 without support.
Others,<br>
> after having been quoted rates for upgrading to 7, have sworn they
will look<br>
> at competitor offerings. Cisco has a real chance here to make a
lot of<br>
> people very happy by making a transition to 7.x<br>
><br>
> I am one of those that was horrified to see what going to 7 would
entail. I<br>
> am not sure where to go from here, we are very happy with 4.1(3)<br>
><br>
> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Denis Pointer <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:denis.mailer@gmail.com">denis.mailer@gmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Last Date of Support:<br>
>> App. SW<br>
>><br>
>> The last date to receive service and support for the product.
After this<br>
>> date, all support services for the product are unavailable,
and the product<br>
>> becomes obsolete.<br>
>><br>
>> May 15, 2011<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/prod_end-of-life_notice0900aecd806ec7a2.html"
target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/prod/collateral/voicesw/ps6788/vcallcon/ps556/prod_end-of-life_notice0900aecd806ec7a2.html</a><br>
>> --<br>
>> Denis Pointer, A. Sc. T.<br>
>> Customer Systems Analyst (Senior Design)<br>
>><br>
>> CCVP, CCNA, CCDA<br>
>> Cisco Unified Contact Center Specialist<br>
>> Cisco IP Telephony Design Specialist<br>
>> Cisco Unity Design Specialist<br>
>> Cisco Unity Support Specialist<br>
>> Cisco IP Communications Express Specialist<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Bob Gibbons, Jr.<br>
>> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bgibbons@pendercountync.gov">bgibbons@pendercountync.gov</a>>
wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> Does anyone know what the End of Life/End of Service is
for Cisco Call<br>
>>> Manager 4.2(3)sr4?<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Thanks<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Bob Gibbons, Jr.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Network Administrator<br>
>>><br>
>>> Pender County Government<br>
>>><br>
>>> 910-259-1406<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> "E-mail correspondence to and from this address may be
subject to the<br>
>>> North Carolina Public Records Law "NCGS.Ch.132" and may be
disclosed to<br>
>>> third parties."<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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