Thanks for the extra info Matt. A lot of my concerns right now are stemming from what will I need to do to manage this correctly.. Right now we provision end-users primarily just so they show up in the corporate directory - the only ones that actually log in with those accounts are contact center agents. Do I now need to audit every single phone and make sure its tied to an end-user? multiple users? One of the reasons CUWL hasn't been particularly attractive is that many of our endpoints are not tied to a user (no need for VM etc) - "open space" phones under the new licensing. Now I need to specifically identify all of these for licensing? DLU's made a lot more sense to me - a phone is a phone is a phone.<br>
<br>UCCX and Unity seems like should be fairly cut and dry... except the prices are going to go up. i dont need extra server nodes of anything, so no benefit to me that I can tell... higher cost for new phones/seats/mailboxes, possibly some busy work to switch over to the new licensing. Just my point of view as a customer versus a partner. <br>
<br>I thought Cisco was pretty forgiving when migrating out of 4.x to the DLU structure, I hope they are similarly patient with this one.<br><br>I agree if you are buying a new system (or selling many new systems if you are a cisco partner), the new licensing probably makes a lot of sense and actually the way UCSS is sold works out much better with this system. <br>
<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Matthew Loraditch <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97); font-size: 11pt;">So here's some info that wasn't in the article and might help Ed and Lelio out.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97); font-size: 11pt;">1) If you have UCSS You will automatically get upgraded when you upgrade to 7.1.5 or 8.0 and later. At the moment this is just a paper conversion the licenses
aren't going to enforced immediately. That will be in future upgrades. If your UCSS user counts aren't acurate you will have issues when license enforcement happens.</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97); font-size: 11pt;">2) Server classes and node counts will no longer matter. You can now get the usually cheaper more powerful HP or IBM oem servers and not pay anything extra!!</span></p>
<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97); font-size: 11pt;">3) Lelio, the DMA tool shouldn't have anything to do with this as it will convert your phone count to DLUs which will still be the actual license's being counted
by the server until a post 8.0 release.</span></p>
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<p><span style="color: rgb(36, 64, 97); font-size: 11pt;">That's some basics not convered in the posting Lelio pointed out. If you have access to the partner link Ahmed gave pretty much every question under the sun
is answered there, if you don't I am happy to answer or try to find any answers i don't quite know.</span></p>
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<font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] On Behalf Of Ahmed Elnagar [<a href="mailto:ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com" target="_blank">ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 04, 2010 6:33 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">It is to be noted that UCL will be the only option for 8.0 version and it will start in 7.1.5</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">The good thing is that it will simplify the ordering as you no longer need to quote server software, DLUs, ports, options; you will just provide the number
of users and Cisco will give you the optimum.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;">More in the below link:</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-size: 11pt;"><a href="http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/sell/technology/ipc/integrated-solutions/user_connect_licensing.html" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/sell/technology/ipc/integrated-solutions/user_connect_licensing.html</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt;"> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, March 05, 2010 12:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> cisco-voip voyp list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] cisco licensing changes...</span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom: 12pt;" class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-size: 10pt;">an interesting article<br>
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<a href="http://www.nojitter.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101050" target="_blank">http://www.nojitter.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=223101050</a><br>
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i wonder how the DMA tool to go from 4.1(x) to 7.1(x) is going to handle all this.<br>
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my headache just got worse.<br>
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