<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>That's awesome. Thanks Chris.<br><br><br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: "Chris Ward (chrward)" <chrward@cisco.com><br>To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>, "Nate VanMaren" <VanMarenNP@ldschurch.org><br>Cc: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:45:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?<br><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I am inquiring to the BU about SAF on VG224. I should have an
official answer soon.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">+Chris</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif";">
cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 12, 2010 4:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nate VanMaren<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">Nothing was broken, was looking for direction to use either a flat
VLAN or point-to-point links for a stack of them. Consensus was point-to-point
links.<br>
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I hear ya. Pretty strange. I mean, if it was there and NOT listed in the
feature navigator OK. But it's listed in the feature navigator. I think that's
one thing that people out there use as a reference. <br>
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But I don't want to cry foul to loudly. They might take it out and say,
"There, it's not there any more." :(<br>
<br>
Shhhhhh.<br>
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---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Nate VanMaren" <VanMarenNP@ldschurch.org><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br>
Cc: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 4:01:22 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">I think they’re just being lazy. Was there something with
EIGRP that wasn’t working on the VG224 that you were requesting help with?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);"> </span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">TAC guy’s aren’t perfect. Sometimes they’re just looking
for the easy way out. The developer that complied the IOS had to
specifically include the EIGRP/Routing libraries. Think of a IOS access
point, now obviously EIGRP is not support on that because they didn’t choose to
compile the feature into the code.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">Pretty strange stuff.</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: black;"> Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca] <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 12, 2010 1:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Nate VanMaren<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom: 12pt;"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">I opened a TAC case. They (a
non-US TAC engineer) told me because it was not on the VG224 data sheet it was
not supported. They also sent me a quote (not sure where it was from) that
basically stipulated that even though it has the code, and it will run, they
don't test it. I asked for escalation, and was sent to a US TAC engineer who
explained things a little further. <br>
<br>
Basically, I think the jist was this....the voice team doesn't test EIGRP
functionality on the VG224. Doesn't mean it's not going to work, or it's going
to stop working. And, it doesn't necessarily mean you won't get help if you
have problems. However, if they find out that the problem you are having is
ONLY on the VG224 platform and doesn't affect any other platform, it more than
likely won't get fixed.<br>
<br>
This lack of EIGRP support was confirmed by several other sources via our
account team. But they also said there are plenty of people running EIGRP stub
on VG224s all over the world. ;)<br>
<br>
And yes, I pointed out the fact that EIGRP STUB was on the VG224 platform
feature navigator. Still no go.<br>
<br>
Oh, I did request clarification on the "redundancy" support that is
in the Q&A and I was referred to either BVI or static routes.<br>
---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br>
<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Nate VanMaren" <VanMarenNP@ldschurch.org><br>
To: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br>
Cc: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 3:48:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);">What makes you say EIGRP is not supported on a VG224?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: black;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Tahoma","sans-serif"; color: black;"> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net
[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 12, 2010 11:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mike King<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">Thanks Mike. Definitely clears up the configuration steps and I'll
have to read up a bit more on whether a device should be a forwarder or a
client, but it still doesn't mention anything about supported devices. Last I
talked with the TAC, EIGRP routing was not supported on the VG224 (even stub,
although it's listed in the feature navigator), so if SAF is anything like
EIGRP (which it sounds like it is, I'm guessing the VG224 team might likely say
no to this as well. :(<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br>
<br>
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----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Mike King" <me@mpking.com><br>
To: "cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:49:28 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?<br>
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Lelio,</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">Take a look at this, it might help a little:</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<a href="http://www.cisco.rw/en/US/docs/ios/saf/configuration/guide/saf_cg.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.rw/en/US/docs/ios/saf/configuration/guide/saf_cg.pdf</a></span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:11 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
wrote:</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">hmmm, doesn't look like the VG224 supports this. :(</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Verdana","sans-serif"; color: black;">From: "Chris Ward (chrward)" <<a href="mailto:chrward@cisco.com" target="_blank">chrward@cisco.com</a>><br>
To: "Robert Kulagowski" <<a href="mailto:rkulagow@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkulagow@gmail.com</a>><br>
Cc: "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>, "cisco-voip voyp list"
<<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 12:08:19 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern<br>
Subject: RE: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?<br>
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Try this:<br>
<br>
<a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/8x/netstruc.html" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/8x/netstruc.html</a><br>
#wp1155951<br>
<br>
It's from the SRND so it should be more descriptive.<br>
<br>
+Chris<br>
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-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Robert Kulagowski [mailto:<a href="mailto:rkulagow@gmail.com" target="_blank">rkulagow@gmail.com</a>] <br>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2010 11:17 AM<br>
To: Chris Ward (chrward)<br>
Cc: Lelio Fulgenzi; cisco-voip voyp list<br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] gatekeepers - when, why, how?<br>
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On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Chris Ward (chrward)<br>
<<a href="mailto:chrward@cisco.com" target="_blank">chrward@cisco.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> Well, that just means your UCMs can't join the SAF network. The SAF<br>
> forwarders and other IOS devices just need a 15.X IOS and they should<br>
be<br>
> able to participate.<br>
<br>
Can you provide additional information on how this can be useful in a<br>
voice environment? Configurations, etc? The two links don't have<br>
much, and one basically just punts:<br>
<br>
"<br>
Q. I understand SAF can greatly simplify my voice-over-IP (VoIP)<br>
deployment. Where can I find more information on how to deploy SAF<br>
with my Unified Communications 8.0 application?<br>
A. Please contact the Voice Technology Group through your account<br>
representative or reseller for more information or visit<br>
<a href="http://www.cisco.com/go/saf" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/go/saf</a>.<br>
"<br>
<br>
Are you in the Voice Technology Group? Can we consider this a<br>
"contact"? :)</span><span style="color: black;"></span></p>
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