<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">With no endpoints to register to the CUCM support for early offer SDP is a non-issue. <div><br></div><div>The MTP is required because endpoints don't typically give their media address information to CUCM until audio is established. When you take away the endpoints, then as long as whatever initiates the call to the SME CUCM uses early offer, then the call that goes out should support it as well.<div><br></div><div>I'm pretty sure even a non-SME CUCM can do this today when acting as SIP proxy.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On May 15, 2010, at 8:06 PM, ash AD wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><div>SME is not meant to replace CUBE. SME is Cisco's reply to Kamailio (former OpenSER) and other centralized SIP routers. In the big SIP world, large SIP clients / providers typically have a SIP routing engine sitting in the center of their network. It is SIP's "Gatekeeper" equivalent and messaging mediator for all SIP call agents to include IP PBX and SBCs (CUBEs in Cisco world). RTP will not pass through it, only SIP messaging. What it does is presents a familiar GUI and way of doing things. If you have the ability to did deep into the SIP protocol and build a server on Solaris or LINUX, Kamailio is at least 100x more powerful and flexible. If you are not LINUX or Solaris smart and are not a SIP protocol level guy or gal, SME is most definitely a better path to take for centralized SIP CAC, message normalization, call
reporting, and troubleshooting. If this is SP level deployment, there are a ton of Kamailio programs who can come in a set it all up. </div>
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<div>What I would like to know, Is will this support the generation of early offer messaging without <span>MTP</span> support? This is feature is keeping Cisco out of the big SIP world. I know this is on the road map, but how late to the party will they show? </div>
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<div><br>--- On <b>Sat, 5/15/10, Nick Matthews <i><<a href="mailto:matthnick@gmail.com">matthnick@gmail.com</a>></i></b> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><br>From: Nick Matthews <<a href="mailto:matthnick@gmail.com">matthnick@gmail.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [<span>cisco</span>-voip] Cisco SME<br>To: "Ahmed Elnagar" <<a href="mailto:ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com">ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com</a>><br>Cc: "cisco-voip voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 5:28 PM<br><br>
<div id="yiv441292078">CUBE = external<br><br>SME = internal<br><br>So even if you use SME to aggregate your internal dial plan and want to hook it up to a SIP trunk, you would still use a CUBE in front of your SME. SME is designed for larger deployments where dial plan aggregation is important. To a degree you can aggregate a dial plan on CUBE as well, but it is not as scalable or easy to manage. <br><br>To further confuse you, the following products can all do some sort of dial plan aggregation: CUSP, SIP proxy on CUPS, CUCM, SME, CUBE, and GK. <br><br><br>-nick<br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Ahmed Elnagar <span dir="ltr"><<a href="http://us.mc504.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com">ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">Check with your Cisco SE. It does offer some enchancements on trunking and yes it does not have phones registered on it.</p></div></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 9:15 PM, Matthew Saskin <<a href="http://us.mc504.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=msaskin@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:msaskin@gmail.com">msaskin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</p></div><p style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt" class="MsoNormal">It's basically just CUCM without IP phones registered. You use it as a point of centralized call routing (multiple CUCM clusters trunk to it, traditional PBX's via a gateway trunk to it, etc.). IME can be deployed centrally off of SME or off of a single CUCM 8 cluster.<br><br clear="all">Matthew Saskin<br><a href="http://us.mc504.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=msaskin@gmail.com" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:msaskin@gmail.com">msaskin@gmail.com</a><br>203-253-9571<br><br>July 18, 2010 - 1500m swim (in the hudson), 40k bike, 10k run<br>Please support the Leukemia & Lyphoma Society<br><a href="http://pages.teamintraining.org/nyc/nyctri10/msaskin" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://pages.teamintraining.org/nyc/nyctri10/msaskin</a><br><br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Bill <<a href="http://us.mc504.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bill@hitechconnection.net" rel="nofollow" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:bill@hitechconnection.net">bill@hitechconnection.net</a>> wrote:</p></div></div>
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