<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">IMO it would be a matter of separating software support from hardware support for the phones. Maybe that software support is bundled with the CUCM software, maybe it isn't. If they decide you need to have some type of coverage in order to download phone firmware then just because we may give you some free updates doesn't automatically entitle you to all the other ones. <div><br></div><div><div>I have to stress that this is purely my opinion and (thank goodness) I have no input, nor really any knowledge of how and why UC is licensed the way it is. I'd say bug the PMs and your service contract rep about it if you feel it overly burdensome or just downright dumb.</div><div><br></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Helvetica; ">-Ryan</span></div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:13 AM, Scott Voll wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline">I see that happening when I download new phone firmware, as we don't smartnet phones. But really? How does Cisco think that's going to work? new firmware comes with each CM update. What are others going to do? just update CM more often? or smartnet a single phone?<div>
<br></div><div>Financially it just doesn't make sense to smartnet many phones when in all reality you get the firmware with the CM updates.</div><div><br></div><div>Scott <br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 7:58 AM, Bill <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:bill@hitechconnection.net">bill@hitechconnection.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">Correct, I was pointing out that you can’t
change versions such as adding CUBE or IPIPGW just because you can download it.
You never could do this but people did it all the time.</span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">I don’t know if you have noticed or
not but you will soon not be able to download software that you don’t
have a contract for. </span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Ahmed Elnagar
[mailto:<a href="mailto:ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com" target="_blank">ahmed_elnagar@rayacorp.com</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010
10:00 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Bill; Dennis Heim; Scott Voll</span></font></p><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [cisco-voip] IOS 15.0</div></div></font><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
</div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">If you have a smart
net or shared support activated through a Cisco partner you are eligible to
have the latest IOS upgrade…technically starting from 15 Cisco started to
enforce the license “like the difference between CUCM 4.x and 5.x”</span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Best Regards;</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
Ahmed Elnagar</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
Senior Network PS Engineer</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
Mob: +2019-0016211</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
CCIE#24697 (Voice)</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> <span><image001.jpg></span></span></font></p>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> Bill
[mailto:<a href="mailto:bill@hitechconnection.net" target="_blank">bill@hitechconnection.net</a>] <br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010 4:39
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Ahmed Elnagar; 'Dennis Heim';
'Scott Voll'<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> RE: [cisco-voip] IOS 15.0</span></font></p>
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</div><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy">“</span></font><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">you cannot just install any version just if you have the correct
DRAM and Flash”</span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="black" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:black">You couldn’t do
that before, You still had to purchase the correct version it just did not
enforce the rules. </span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black"></span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="navy" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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</span></font></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Ahmed Elnagar<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010
12:18 AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Dennis Heim; Scott Voll<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Cc:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] IOS 15.0</span></font></p>
</div><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Working fine
“till now” watch out for the license as you cannot just install any
version just if you have the correct DRAM and Flash “I don’t know
what will it be for upgrades”…for 15.1 I was trying to run SRST 8.0
but I failed and till now I don’t know the reason…I had to go to
15.0 to run SRST 7.1.</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">I have 15.0 as SIP
gateway woth PRIs and H323 with PRIs and FXs.</span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Best Regards;</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
Ahmed Elnagar</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
Senior Network PS Engineer</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
Mob: +2019-0016211</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">
CCIE#24697 (Voice)</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> <span><image001.jpg></span></span></font></p>
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</div><div><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div>
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<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma">
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On Behalf Of </span></b>Dennis Heim<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, July 22, 2010 3:28
AM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> Scott Voll; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> Re: [cisco-voip] IOS 15.0</span></font></p>
</div>
</div><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D">Just don’t do
it unless you have to.</span></font></p><div><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">Dennis Heim<br>
Network Voice Engineer<br>
CDW Advanced Technology Services<br>
11711 N. Meridian Street, Suite
225<br>
Carmel, IN
46032<br>
<br>
317.569.4255 Office<br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="black" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black">317.569.4201 Fax<br>
</span></font><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Arial"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#1F497D">317.694.6070 Cell</span></font></p><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"><a href="mailto:dennis.heim@cdw.com" title="mailto:dennis.heim@berbee.com" target="_blank">dennis.heim@cdw.com</a><br>
</span></font><font color="#1f497d"><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/" target="_blank">cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/</a></span></font></p><div><font size="3" color="#1f497d" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><font size="2" color="#1f497d" face="Calibri"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri;color:#1F497D"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma"> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b><span style="font-weight:bold">On
Behalf Of </span></b>Scott Voll<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Sent:</span></b> Wednesday, July 21, 2010
7:40 PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">To:</span></b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject:</span></b> [cisco-voip] IOS 15.0</span></font></p><div><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"> </span></font><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">anyone running IOS 15.0 on any devices? eg. Vg224's / 3800 / 2800
VGWs?</span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">we are upgrading soon and would like any kind of feedback from the
field.</span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">TIA</span></font></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal"><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Scott</span></font></p>
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