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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Could not agree more, experts-wise. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> Recently, I had a very hard time explaining that a 10ft. Cat6 cable is perfectly fine to use with a PRI. So, a Cat3 was tried, then a custom PRI cable; needless to say, the problem did not go away until the ISP changed the relevant module on their side. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thankfully, no one there knew about cablelength commands, or it would be still going on!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nikola<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Nikola Stojsin<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>PhD CCIE #12888<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>President<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Network Makers LLC<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>110 Wall Street, 11th Floor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>New York, NY 10005<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(212) 709-8201<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(212) 706-2986 (fax)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="mailto:nikolas@networkmakers.com"><span style='color:#1F497D'>nikolas@networkmakers.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>http://www.networkmakers.com<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Fuermann, Jason<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 23, 2010 6:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Nick Matthews'<br><b>Cc:</b> voyp list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] what is: "cablelength long 0db"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yea, I definitely don’t want to downplay the so called experts wanting to try it in their troubleshooting. Of course, there are plenty of other commands they don’t understand that they’ll want to try too </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> matthn@gmail.com [mailto:matthn@gmail.com] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Matthews<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 23, 2010 5:32 PM<br><b>To:</b> Fuermann, Jason<br><b>Cc:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi; voyp list<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] what is: "cablelength long 0db"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>I'm sure there are a few cases out there. I just haven't seen it in over a 100+ cases I've been involved with. It receives a lot of unjust attention.<br><br>-nick<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Fuermann, Jason <<a href="mailto:JBF005@shsu.edu">JBF005@shsu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>I’m going with Go0se on this one. We use to have a circuit that wouldn’t work without the cablelength long command. Conversely, I seem to remember the opposite problem with having the command on a short cable causing a circuit not to work.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;border-color:-moz-use-text-color -moz-use-text-color'><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt'> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 23, 2010 4:54 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nick Matthews<br><b>Cc:</b> voyp list<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt'><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] what is: "cablelength long 0db"<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>and today's SAT prep question:<br><br>(1) How Lelio feels about not being to forward secondary lines is like Nick feels about:<br><br>(a) cablelength long 0db<br>(b) cablelength long 0db<br>(c) cablelength long 0db<br>(d) all of the above.<br><br><br>but seriously, I can remove it then?<br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)</span><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>"Nick Matthews" <<a href="mailto:matthnick@gmail.com" target="_blank">matthnick@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br><b>Cc: </b>"voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Monday, August 23, 2010 5:49:18 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] what is: "cablelength long 0db"<br><br>I would personally be happy if this command was removed from IOS completely. Myself and a large number of other people who work with these types of things many times daily have never seen this command do anything. Except waste troubleshooting time, and have people who would like to have a technical opinion on something they don't know anything about bring it up. It does that quite well. There, I said it.<br><br>And if you see 'unknown protocol drops' on your interface counters you can ignore that too.<br><br>-nick</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>I've got this on my new 3845, but it's not on my other one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='margin-left:30.0pt'><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>controller T1 0/0/0<br> cablelength long 0db<br>!<br>controller T1 0/1/0<br> cablelength long 0db</span><o:p></o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>And another thing, why am I running "(C3845-SPSERVICESK9-M), Version 15.0(1)M2"<br><br>isn't SP mean ServiceProvider? I'm sure I didn't ask for this.<br><br>What are people normally running on their branch voice routers ???<br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></body></html>