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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>This is really interesting information. I didn’t know a lot of this, and do get asked this a lot. Thanks to everyone who has posted.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>James Buchanan </span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'>|</span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> Senior Network Engineer </span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'>|</span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> <b>South Region </b></span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'>|</span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> Presidio Networked Solutions <br>12 Cadillac Dr, Suite 130, Brentwood, TN 37027 </span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'>|</span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> </span></b><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'><a href="mailto:jbuchanan@ctiusa.com">jbuchanan@presidio.com</a><br></span></b><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>D: 615-866-5729</span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> </span><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'>| <b>F:</b> </span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>615-866-5781</span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'> | </span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'><a href="http://www.presidio.com">www.presidio.com</a></span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> <</span><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7E7E7E'><a href="http://www.presidio.com">http://www.presidio.com</a></span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F'>CCIE #25863, Voice</span></b><span style='font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><br><br></span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Zoltan.Kelemen@emerson.com<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 05, 2010 11:54 AM<br><b>To:</b> rade239@gmail.com; pwalenta@wi.rr.com<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] DECT phones<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div id=idOWAReplyText76745><div><div id=idOWAReplyText62909><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Hi Ratko,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>it depends a lot on your coverage requirements, as well as on the number of endpoints you need to support.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>If it's more than a few phones and more then what could be covered by a couple base stations, the price of Polycom (ex-KIRK) DECT systems becomes quite competitive. (ie. covering large areas with "traditional" systems isn't exactly cheap eiteher).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Nominal coverage area for DECT systems is around 30-50m indoors and 100-300m outdoors, if I recall correctly, but this rarely translates well in reality as it depend heavily on the environment. Anyway, usually, the coverage is much better than that of standard 802.11 wireless and it should be determined by a site survey before a purchase decision is made. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>There are several configurations for KIRK systems:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>600v3 - this is an all-around system, as it can work in <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>single cell mode: one active "server" and up to 6 repeaters - only the server needs ethernet connection, the repeaters only need wireless signal and AC power<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>or multi-cell mode, where more 600v3 units can cover a larger area, or you can build coverage islands (this is one killer feature, a "traditional" system might not be able to counter, especially if you can use existing ethernet cabling to add new "islands" to the network). <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Unless you have a very large system, all "Kirk Wireless servers" act as base stations (will have active radios in them)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>600v3 can do SCCP as well (phones will appear as Cisco7940 on the CallManager)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Each 600v3 base station can support up to 12 simultaneous voice channels (this is a LOT more than most "traditional" systems will do - that are more close to 4 or the like).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>the 6000 is a newer system, where you'll always need a "server", that, although comes in a wall-mountable box like the 600v3 has no radio in it. You can add "base stations" to it, that are the same size as repeaters (10x10cm, if I recall correcty) but are PoE powered and connect to the Ethernet network.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Wile it's been a while I've worked with them, but I think above 4-5 base stations the 6000 system starts to be cheaper than the 600v3 (with the same number of BS-s).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>The 6000 is SIP only. Also it has an even larger scalability than the 600v3, although channels per base station is somewhat lower.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>In Multicell 600v3, or 6000 systems, each base station can support up to 3 repeaters.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Also: You can connect almost any DECT handset to both Polycom Kirk systems. Any handsets that you can choose which base station to connect to (on some DECTs designed for home use only this isn't possible I believe, as they are hardcoded for their own base station).<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Zoltan Kelemen<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net on behalf of Ratko Dodevski<br><b>Sent:</b> Sun 9/5/2010 5:37 AM<br><b>To:</b> Philip Walenta<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] DECT phones</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p><span style='font-size:10.0pt'>Thanks for your replay, as I understand, I need KIRK wireless server,<br>wireless base station, several repeaters and the number of phones...<br>Is't this to much? What is the coverage of a station? I know the<br>phones a pretty expensive too.<br><br><br>Regards<br>Ratko<br><br><br><br>On Sun, Sep 5, 2010 at 12:30 AM, Philip Walenta <<a href="mailto:pwalenta@wi.rr.com">pwalenta@wi.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br>> If this is the US or EMEA Polycom (the company for which I work so yes you<br>> could consider this a plug) has DECT handsets with a basestation that<br>> integrates directly into CUCM. You can get SIP phones or a base that does<br>> SCCP as well. Check out the Kirk wireless server 600v3 for SCCP, or the 300<br>> or 6000 for SIP.<br>><br>> I use the SCCP model for my home connected to a CUCME without issue.<br>><br>> All handsets are valid.<br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a><br>> [<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] On Behalf Of Ratko Dodevski<br>> Sent: Saturday, September 04, 2010 8:39 AM<br>> To: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>> Subject: [cisco-voip] DECT phones<br>><br>> Hi guys,<br>> I have this customer (a shopping mall) that requires several mobile<br>> phones. Because there is no wireless coverage in place and there is no<br>> interest in doing this (especial not in the parking floors), I'm<br>> looking into some DECT phones with additional antennas acting as a<br>> repeaters. Does anyone has any experience in this and some<br>> recommendations? The phones need to register on Call Manager 7, so I<br>> was thinking of using Cisco SPA (or ATA) to convert the analog to IP<br>> signal. Any thoughts?<br>><br>> --<br>> Ratko<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> cisco-voip mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><br>><br>><br><br><br><br>--<br>Ratko<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></body></html>