<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>Thanks Guys.<span><br><br><span name="x"></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><span name="x"></span><br></span><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Wes Sisk" <wsisk@cisco.com><br><b>To: </b>"Ryan Ratliff" <rratliff@cisco.com><br><b>Cc: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca>, "voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br><b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, September 28, 2010 5:08:51 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] Partition Rollback: UCM 7.1(5b) Unrestricted to UCM 7.1(5a) Restricted?<br><br>
correct. there is no difference in licensing *today*. that is why we
could not post bootable images. look for this to change in the future.<br>
<br>
Ryan Ratliff wrote:
<blockquote style="border: medium none ! important; padding-left: 0px ! important; padding-right: 0px ! important; margin-left: 0px ! important; margin-right: 0px ! important;" cite="mid:14D67FAB-B5D8-421C-BF9D-D4E525765874@cisco.com">What
licensing are you referring to? There is no difference in CUCM
licensing for restricted vs unrestricted that I'm aware of. Aside from
that all licensing is the same within a major version (7.x, 8.x, etc)
so your software feature license for 7.1.3 will be valid for 7.1.5.
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<div>-Ryan</div>
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<div>On Sep 28, 2010, at 3:34 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</div>
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<div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">Thanks
Ryan. I've been looking to make sure the ISO I have does not have the
unrestricted tag.<br>
<br>
Can you comment on the licensing aspect? Or does that not affect
upgrades from 7.1(3a)?<br>
<span><br>
<span></span>---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br>
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<hr id="zwchr"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ryan
Ratliff" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>><br>
<b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Lelio
Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Matthew
Linsemier" <<a href="mailto:mlinsemier@apassurance.com" target="_blank">mlinsemier@apassurance.com</a>>,
"voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday,
September 28, 2010 3:00:42 PM<br>
<b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[cisco-voip] Partition Rollback: UCM 7.1(5b) Unrestricted to UCM
7.1(5a) Restricted?<br>
<br>
You are correct in your assumption.
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<div>The unrestricted ISOs have UNRST in the filename. Check out the
CUCM Upgrade Tool (<a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/products_tech_note09186a0080b31514.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/sw/voicesw/ps556/products_tech_note09186a0080b31514.shtml</a>)
for a quick and dirty explanation.</div>
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<div><br>
<b><font color="#336666">Unrestricted versus Restricted CUCM</font></b>
<ul>
<li>Click<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/rel_notes/7_1_5/cucm-rel_notes-715.html#wp1768767" target="_blank">here</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>for
the 7.1(5) Release Notes section detailing Unrestricted Export Support.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><b>RESTRCITED</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CUCM
is the "full" CUCM with media and signaling encryption<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>ENABLED</b>.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><b>UNRESTRICTED</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>CUCM
versions have all media and signaling encryption features<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>DISABLED</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>to comply with US export laws.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Unrestricted CUCM installers always have UNRST in the filename.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Restricted CUCM installers do not have any specific reference
in the filename. These are the same as previous versions of CUCM.</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li>Upgrades from CUCM versions <= 7.1(3) require installing the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://tools.cisco.com/support/downloads/go/ImageList.x?relVer=7.1%285%29&mdfid=282421166&sftType=Unified+Communications+Manager+%2F+Cisco+Unity+Connection+Updates&optPlat=&nodecount=11&edesignator=null&modelName=Cisco+Unified+Communications+Manager+Version+7.1&treeMdfId=278875240&modifmdfid=null&imname=&treeName=Voice+and+Unified+Communications&hybrid=Y&imst=N" target="_blank">ciscocm.allow_upgrades_to_unrestrictd.cop.sgn</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>file or the installer will not
recognize the UNRST file as a valid upgrade.</li>
</ul>
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<div style="font-family: Helvetica;">-Ryan</div>
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<div>On Sep 28, 2010, at 2:49 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</div>
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<div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">I'm
not sure about everyone else, but this thread has me confused.<br>
<br>
I'm in the middle of going upgrading from 7.1(3a) to the latest 7.1(5)
version so I have a feeling I may be affected.<br>
<br>
>From what I recall, the Restricted version (dealing with export) is
what we want to run in North America and the Unrestricted version is
for exporting to certain countries.<br>
<br>
Is this what you are dealing with? Or is it the licensing aspect of
restricted vs unrestricted?<br>
<br>
This also begs the question, how do you tell the difference between
these versions when reading the ISO files for download?<br>
<span><br>
<span></span>---<br>
Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br>
<span></span><br>
</span><br>
<hr id="zwchr"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Matthew
Linsemier" <<a href="mailto:mlinsemier@apassurance.com" target="_blank">mlinsemier@apassurance.com</a>><br>
<b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ryan Ratliff"
<<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday,
September 28, 2010 2:23:47 PM<br>
<b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re:
[cisco-voip] Partition Rollback: UCM 7.1(5b) Unrestricted to UCM
7.1(5a) Restricted?<br>
<br>
<font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">The confusion started with the naming
convention of “Restricted” and “Unrestricted” coupled with the new
licensing model from Cisco. The upgrade from “Restricted” 7.1(5a) to
“Unrestricted” 7.1(5b) worked on the Publisher and in the end on the
Subscriber. There was an error message on the first boot of the
Subscriber saying that the databases were out on sync. A cold reboot
of the Subscriber a second time resolved the issue.<br>
<br>
I have no issues with getting to the UCM OS management page and
“swapping” the partition of both the Publisher and the Subcriber back
to the “Restricted” partition both at the same time and taking all of
the phones out of service for that time. I just worry that if it fails
that I would have to rebuild my entire UCM cluster and then restore the
data. The TAC engineer even told me that you couldn’t restore data
from an “Unrestricted” version back onto a “Restricted” version. If I
knew ahead of time that I can simply switch back to the currently
working “Unrestricted” partition, I don’t mind being a guinea pig, but
I definitely don’t want to spend the weekend with TAC on the phone
trying to get my phones up and running, rebuilding everything from
scratch.<br>
<br>
Wes or Ryan, the TAC case we opened was<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font><font size="1"><font face="Geneva, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12px;">SR
615372523.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></font></font><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">I’m don’t mind getting answers from Cisco
that “you cant do it” but I would like to know technically why it wont
work. I suspect that there will be a lot of others wondering how they
get from “Unrestricted” to “Restricted” version. I know that there
aren’t any migration paths (as stated in the documents), but if you
cant even backup the data and restore it on a fresh install of a
“Restricted” version of UCM, that seems like an issue.<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
<br>
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<br>
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On 9/28/10 1:57 PM, "Ryan Ratliff" <<a href="about:blank" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;">For starters I don't think you can upgrade
from restricted to unrestricted. <br>
<br>
Assuming you mean 7.1(5a) unrestricted and 7.1(5b) restricted...<br>
<br>
How did you try switching, using the CLI or the recovery disk? I think
I've seen on this alias that the CLI won't let you switch back and I
don't know if this is intended or not.<br>
<br>
I have seen bugs related to subscriber upgrades failing when the pub
has been upgraded from restricted to unrestricted (CSCti72527).<br>
<br>
I have also seen TAC SRs where they were able to switch back with no
problem.<br>
<br>
</span></font><font face="Helvetica, Verdana, Arial"><span style="font-size: 12pt;">-Ryan<br>
</span></font><font face="Calibri, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial"><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><br>
On Sep 28, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Matthew Linsemier wrote:<br>
<br>
All,<br>
<br>
I have received conflicting information from both TAC as well as other
resources on the Internet to find out if you can roll back your UCM
version from a “Unrestricted” version to a “Restricted” version? The
scenario goes as follows:<br>
<br>
An upgrade was performed on a UCM server from a 7.1(5a) “Restricted”
licenses to 7.1(5b) “Unrestricted”. No other upgrades have been
performed since this so basically it looks like this on the UCM
publisher and subscriber:<br>
<br>
Active Partition: UCM 7.1(5b) “Unrestricted”<br>
Alternate Partition: UCM 7.1(5a) “Restricted”<br>
<br>
My question is, can I swap the partitions back to the original
restricted versions of UCM and then apply the UCM 7.1(5b) restricted OS
upgrade which is what we want to have on the UCM cluster. TAC
originally said yes this is not an issue, but then came back and said
no you couldn’t do it. When I started asking questions like “What if
my upgrade had failed, does that mean that I would have had to rebuild
UCM and wouldn’t be able to go back to the previous partition?” and I
didn’t really get a strait answer.<br>
<br>
To me it seems that I should be able to recover to a previous
“Restricted” license on both Publisher and the Subscriber and
everything should work as before, then I just put the proper
“Restricted” upgrade on the UCM servers. Isn’t this what the separate
partitions are for? Even so, if I tried swapping back and it didn’t
work, couldn’t I just go back to the current “Unrestricted” working
partition.<br>
<br>
Can anyone give any insight on this?<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
<br>
Matt<br>
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