<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Exactly and for Anthony's question it really depends on how new that NIB phone really is. All phones from manufacturing now are shipping with a load that will upgrade past 8.5(2) directly. That doesn't mean there aren't stocks out there with the old load but real new phones will upgrade.<div><br></div><div>But as Lelio said in order for it to work you'd just have to factory reset the phone for it to double upgrade like that.</div><div><br></div><div>Another option would be a vmware or other CUCM you keep handy just for pointing new phones at to get them to the correct load so they can be moved to production. All it would need is tftp and the appropriate load file.</div><div><br><div>
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<br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">When I read the factory default action that Ryan sent off, it actually deletes some files I believe and/or re-reads that term42.default.load file.<br><br><br><span><br><span name="x"></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><span name="x"></span><br></span><br><hr id="zwchr"><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Anthony Holloway" <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ryan Ratliff" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</a>>, "voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, October 12, 2010 5:14:41 PM<br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads<br><br>Yes that is correct, NIB = new in box.<div><br></div><div>Oh, Ok, so I NIB phone is NOT sitting at a "factory reset" state? I was under the impression that new phones, in the box, and from the factory, were exactly in the same state as a phone who was "factory reset."</div><div><br></div><div>That's what I get for assuming.</div><div><br></div><div>Anthony</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; "><div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">I'm assuming NIB is "new in box"<span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>??<br><br>I believe the one step you're missing here is resetting the phone to factory defaults so that it grabs the term42.default.loads file appropriately.<div class="im"><br><br><br><br><span></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><span></span><br></div></span><br><hr><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Anthony Holloway" <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><div class="im"><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br></div><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ryan Ratliff" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>>, "voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:48:35 PM<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads<br><br>Can I piggyback on this topic?<div><br></div><div>So I take a NIB phone, and I plug it in, and it fails to upgrade because my CUCM has phones loads above 8.5(2). Are you saying that if I change out my default.loads files for 8.4(4) ones, I would eliminate the upgrade failure scenario of plugging in a NIB phone (which presumably ships with older than 8.4(4) firmware)?</div><div><br></div><div>So the game plan looks like this:</div><div> phone boots for first time</div><div> dhcp address assigned, and option 150 points to tftp</div><div> phone grabs the default.loads file, and reads which version is should pull down</div><div> I go grab some five guys</div><div> phone grabs firmware and begins to upgrade to 8.4(4)</div><div> phone resets</div><div> phone registers to CUCM, grabbing its XML config, and reads which version is should pull down</div><div> phone grabs firmware and begins to upgrade to 8.5(3)</div><div> phone resets</div><div> phone registers</div><div> I come back and see a registered phone</div><div><br></div><div>Anthony<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0pt; margin-right: 0pt; margin-bottom: 0pt; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex; "><div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Ah - cool. Never thought about that application.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span><br><div><br><span></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><span></span><br></div></span><div><br><hr><b>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Ryan Ratliff" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>><br><b>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>"voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br></div><b>Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, October 12, 2010 4:21:39 PM<div><div></div><div><br><b>Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads<br><br>That's correct, they will do two upgrades. In some cases this may be desired with the default load being 8.4(4) so that both old and new phones can upgrade easily to later loads given the restrictions for going past 8.5(2).<div><br><div><span style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>-Ryan</div></span></div><br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:55 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</div><br><span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">Thanks Ryan.<br><br>I'm guessing then, if I don't update those files, and perform a factory reset, the phone will first load the previous version, try to register to call manager, see the new firmware information and then upgrade?<br><br>So basically downgrade, then upgrade?<br><br>I'm not saying I want to keep it this way, just trying to understand what will happen. I guess I could actually confirm the results by doing this myself too.<br><span><br><span></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span> </span><br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><span></span><br></span><br><hr><b>From:<span> </span></b>"Ryan Ratliff" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>><br><b>To:<span> </span></b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:<span> </span></b>"voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent:<span> </span></b>Tuesday, October 12, 2010 3:17:58 PM<br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads<br><br>They are used to recover from a factory reset. <div><a href="http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cuipph/7962g_7942g/7_0/english/administration/guide/7962trb.html#wp1031705" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/en/US/docs/voice_ip_comm/cuipph/7962g_7942g/7_0/english/administration/guide/7962trb.html#wp1031705</a></div><div><br><div><div style="font-family: Helvetica; ">-Ryan</div></div><br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2010, at 3:03 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</div><br><span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); ">ok...when are they used then? if i keep the originals from a previous version, copy over firmware files from a new version and update either the device defaults page or manually configure a phone is that ok?<span><br><br><span></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it.<span> </span><br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><span></span><br></span><br><hr><b>From:<span> </span></b>"Ryan Ratliff" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>><br><b>To:<span> </span></b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br><b>Cc:<span> </span></b>"voyp list" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent:<span> </span></b>Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:16:31 PM<br><b>Subject:<span> </span></b>Re: [cisco-voip] term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads<br><br>They are never created, only copied either manually via zip file (windows CCM) or by the load installer.<div><br><div><span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; "><div>-Ryan</div></span></div><br><div><div>On Oct 12, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:</div><br><span style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: 'Lucida Grande'; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><div style="font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); "><br>can anyone shed some light on when i need to overwrite the term42.default.loads & term62.default.loads files when copying over firmware files?<br><br>if i just copy over the firmware files and modify the device defaults on CCM, will it create these two files new?<br><span><br><span></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. 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