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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The real question I would ask is what problems are the CSU/DSU identifying, and how? Can your VWIC and T-bert taps do everything they do? If I know telcom guys (and I’ve had my fair share of experience with them), the only reason the CSU/DSU’s are there are because it’s what they’re familiar with. You just have to get them use to doing things a new/different way.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Aarons (US)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> Scott Voll; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Telecom Guy vs Network Guy.....<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I haven’t see a customer buy a managed CSU/DSU in 5 years….maybe if you have 512K frame relay and wanted a provider to be able to give your graphs they might sell you a managed CSU/DSU.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott Voll<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 10, 2011 2:04 PM<br><b>To:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Telecom Guy vs Network Guy.....<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>So my coworker and I have been having some discussions on best way to move forward (I'm the new Network Guy, He is the old Telecom guy ;-)<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Currently we use managed CSU/DSU's for terminating our voice PRI's. This way we can loop the circuit and test, etc. we also have things wired to use the T-bert for more testing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I would like to bypass this and go straight to the VWIC's on the Router.... making it cleaner and less to troubleshoot as we have had CSU's dieing lately.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I know I can loop the VWIC both local and remote. Can I do more testing from the router that would justify the move away from managed CSU's?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Would love to hear what others are doing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Scott<o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://dimensiondata.stream57.com/04141pm/"><span style='border:solid windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=100 height=100 id="_x0000_i1026" src="cid:~WRD000.jpg" alt="Image removed by sender. DDIPT"></span></a><o:p></o:p></p><p><strong>Disclaimer: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information and is for use by the designated addressee(s) named above only. If you are not the intended addressee, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any use or reproduction of this email or its contents is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. </strong><o:p></o:p></p></div></body></html>