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    Will definitely try it. Couple of questions:<br>
    - directories are not identical. Why doesn't it let me install it
    and let me be?<br>
    - is using RTMT from a 8.0 to connect to 8.5 supported ?<br>
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    CUCM 8.0.3a Release Note = October 19, 2010 (44,273,141 bytes)<br>
    CUPS 8.5.1 Release Note = February 16, 2011 (44,603,780 bytes)<br>
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    How come two products with different versions and different file
    sizes for the same application use the same internal version?<br>
    <br>
    Ovidiu<br>
    <br>
    On 01/Apr/11 9:08 PM, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
    <blockquote
      cite="mid:7BC8B3C9-CC50-4A8E-8497-7FB5AB08679E@cisco.com"
      type="cite">So that is multiple installations of the same version
      of RTMT, just from different products.
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      <div>If you use the CUCM RTMT and login to the CUPS server does it
        show CUPS data?</div>
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            <div>-Ryan</div>
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          <div>On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Ovidiu Popa wrote:</div>
          <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#ffffff"> Hello Ryan<br>
            <br>
            Here are the "rumor" details:<br>
            RTMT from CUCM 8.0.3.20000-2 installed on my machine on
            C:\Program Files\Cisco\Unified Communications Manager
            Serviceability<br>
            RTMT from CUPS  8.5.1.10000-35 to be installed at C:\Program
            Files\Cisco\Presence Serviceability\JRtmt<br>
            <br>
            I think the warning message is pretty self-explanatory:<br>
            <br>
            "<br>
            Warning: You have a RTMT of version 8.5.0.0 already
            installed. You are not allowed to install more than one copy
            of RTMT of same version on the same machine <br>
            ...<br>
            Warning: Existing RTMT version 8.5.0.0 will be uninstalled
            if the current installation is continued.<br>
            "<br>
            <br>
            Attched the screenshots.<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            Ovidiu<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            <br>
            On 01/Apr/11 7:54 PM, Ryan Ratliff wrote:
            <blockquote
              cite="mid:26F50B3F-3D6F-427F-81AE-80EB5B15BF17@cisco.com"
              type="cite">I'd love to see where that rumor got started.
               I have no less than 4 versions of RTMT installed on my PC
              right now.  I'm pretty sure the introduction of the RTMT
              version into the program has alleviated the multiple
              install issues.  Of course having 3 different program
              groups under Programs->Cisco for various incarnations
              is fun too.
              <div><br>
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              <div>In general I use the latest and assume it's backwards
                compatible, at least for what I need it for (pulling
                traces).  Some of the advanced features may not be
                reliable with older versions and you should never expect
                an older RTMT to work with newer CUCM.</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>As for one RTMT for various products I'm thinking the
                move to Unified Serviceability with RTMT 8.7 and 8.8 is
                a signal that there is a desire for that to work.
                 Whether it does or not I've not tested.</div>
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                    <div>-Ryan</div>
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                  <div>On Apr 1, 2011, at 10:16 AM, Mac GroupStudy
                    wrote:</div>
                  <br class="Apple-interchange-newline">
                  Rumor has it Cisco TAC uses ONE version of RTMT for
                  access to all of our versions of CUCM. Why can't we
                  have that.<br>
                  <br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:31
                    AM, Garrett Skjelstad <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:garrett@skjelstad.org">garrett@skjelstad.org</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt
                      0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,
                      204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">I think I'd prefer
                      versions to be backwards compatible and simply a
                      drop down box allowing me to choose which version
                      I was going to be operating against. This would
                      allow the UI to be fresh with whatever the latest
                      version is, but allow backwards compatibility
                      against previous revisions of software.<br>
                      <br>
                      Sent from my iPhone<br>
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                        <div class="h5"><br>
                          On Mar 31, 2011, at 22:38, Paul <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:asobihoudai@yahoo.com">asobihoudai@yahoo.com</a>>

                          wrote:<br>
                          <br>
                          > I'd normally agree but seeing how RTMT
                          must be changed according to each<br>
                          > modification to the application, I think
                          it's not completely unreasonable to<br>
                          > upgrade/downgrade RTMT for the sake of
                          strict compatibility...plus it doesn't<br>
                          > even require a reboot!<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Think of cases where a piece of software
                          maintains backwards compatibility for<br>
                          > the long haul...that's where you get
                          software like MS Windows where cruft is<br>
                          > built upon cruft upon cruft...you get the
                          picture. I think I'd rather have RTMT<br>
                          > not require 1GB+ memory/HDD just for the
                          sake of having one version to work with<br>
                          > all versions.<br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          > ----- Original Message ----<br>
                          > From: Jason Aarons (US) <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:jason.aarons@us.didata.com">jason.aarons@us.didata.com</a>><br>
                          > To: Ovidiu Popa <<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:ovi.popa@gmail.com">ovi.popa@gmail.com</a>>;

                          "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>"<br>
                          > <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
                          > Sent: Thu, March 31, 2011 6:47:30 PM<br>
                          > Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] RTMT versions
                          and product compatibility<br>
                          ><br>
                          ><br>
                          > At RTMT  install change the folder name
                          to something else c:\program<br>
                          > files\rtmtv8 vs c:\program files\rtmtv85<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Surely this complaint must be at some
                          Product Manager within Cisco working hard<br>
                          > to get a resolution.  It's truly a
                          headache and a mystery as deep as  "Where is<br>
                          > Jimmy Hoffa?" and "Who really shot JFK?"<br>
                          ><br>
                          > I vote for 1 version of RTMT. Anyone want
                          to second that motion?<br>
                          ><br>
                          > -----Original Message-----<br>
                          > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a><br>
                          > [mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
                          On Behalf Of Ovidiu Popa<br>
                          > Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 5:34 PM<br>
                          > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
                          > Subject: [cisco-voip] RTMT versions and
                          product compatibility<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Hello everyone<br>
                          ><br>
                          > I have a couple of questions related to
                          RTMT:<br>
                          ><br>
                          > - what is the relationship between RTMT
                          versions and software product versions<br>
                          > (CUCM, CUPS etc): Can we use a newer
                          version of RTMT to connect to older<br>
                          > versions of software e.g. using RTMT from
                          CUCM 8 to connect to CUCM version 7?<br>
                          ><br>
                          > - can we use a CUPS RTMT to connect to
                          CUCM or the other way around?<br>
                          ><br>
                          > - Why the different versions of RTMT
                          don't play nice i.e if they detect another<br>
                          > version will not let you install the new
                          version until you get rid of the old<br>
                          > one? Has anyone found a solution to
                          install multiple RTMT from different<br>
                          > products on the same workstation?<br>
                          ><br>
                          > By default RTMT uses different
                          directories but even with different
                          directories<br>
                          > they will not let you install multiple
                          versions:<br>
                          > C:\Program Files\Cisco\Unified
                          Communications Manager Serviceability\
                          C:\Program<br>
                          > Files\Cisco\Presence Serviceability\JRtmt<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Thanks<br>
                          > Ovidiu<br>
                          >
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