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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The 3945 method is a complete joke in my mind. With VG224’s your ports are 2/0-23. I can’t even imagine how those ports are numbered with all those different
interface and sub-interface cards, let alone some are RJ-21x while others are RJ-11.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dennis Heim<br>
Network Voice Engineer<br>
CDW Advanced Technology Services<br>
10610 9<sup>th</sup> Place<br>
Bellevue, WA 98004<br>
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317.569.4255 Single Number Reach</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
317.569.4201 Fax</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">
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<a href="mailto:dennis.heim@cdw.com"><span style="font-size:10.0pt">dennis.heim@cdw.com</span></a></span><u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:blue"><br>
</span></u><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/">cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> matthn@gmail.com [mailto:matthn@gmail.com]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Matthews<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 23, 2011 11:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Steve Gustafson; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net; Jason Aarons (US); Dennis Heim; Scott Voll<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] a stack of VG224s vs C3945-112FXS/K9<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The 3945 gets you slightly higher FXS/RU density as well as simplified management - ~4:1 management points. It's also more expensive. If you can put value behind either density or management it's worth a look.
The 3945 will also have 3945's with PVDM3's. For this application it's basically the same as the PVDM2's, but you could enable some of the 3 features like video switching.<br>
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-nick<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 8:26 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm pretty sure it's 4 x EVM-HD-8FXS/DID with each populated with 2 x EM3-HDA-8FXS/DID so 4 x 24 ports = 96 ports. The EVM-HD nodule uses an RJ21 connector. BlackBox sells a neat patch panel for this, but if you're only doing FXS it's not
necessary. The remaining 16 ports are obtained by installing 4 x 4 FXS VWIC modules which have RJ11. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Honestly, I'd go for a stack of VG224s. With the multipack discount it's a hard sell. Yes, you need additional uplinks, but it just seems better. It's also cheaper. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">HTH <br>
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Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Steve Gustafson <<a href="mailto:smgustafson@gmail.com" target="_blank">smgustafson@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone know what the actual physical interface looks like on the FXS112? I see that it is "RJ-21 and RJ-11", but I don't know how many of each, and if there is 25 FXS per RJ21 or 24...I'm assuming 24.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Category 112-FXS Bundle VG 224 VG 204/VG 202 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Physical Connector RJ-21 and RJ-11 RJ-21 RJ-11 <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 8:47 AM, Jason Aarons (US) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@us.didata.com" target="_blank">jason.aarons@us.didata.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I agree if there were Amphenol cables on the 3945 that could lead back to patch panel..</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dennis Heim<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:51 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] a stack of VG224s vs C3945-112FXS/K9<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Combined with all that cabling over to the 3945. With a VG224 I just give the analog or wiring cable a cut list and he can just start
punching down to the 66-block.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dennis Heim<br>
Network Voice Engineer<br>
CDW Advanced Technology Services<br>
11711 N. Meridian Street, Suite 225<br>
Carmel, IN 46032<br>
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<a href="tel:317.569.4255" target="_blank">317.569.4255</a> Single Number Reach<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><a href="tel:317.569.4201" target="_blank">317.569.4201</a> Fax</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/" target="_blank">cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt"> Lelio Fulgenzi [mailto:<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, January 23, 2011 12:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dennis Heim<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>; Nick Matthews<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] a stack of VG224s vs C3945-112FXS/K9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">yeah, i can imagine it would be difficult, even with the gui. didn't even think of that.<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>
Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br>
- LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">"Dennis Heim" <<a href="mailto:Dennis.Heim@cdw.com" target="_blank">Dennis.Heim@cdw.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Nick Matthews" <<a href="mailto:matthnick@gmail.com" target="_blank">matthnick@gmail.com</a>>, "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:09:23 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [cisco-voip] a stack of VG224s vs C3945-112FXS/K9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I can only imagine how the 3945 bundle will be to configure, with all the goofy port numbers between main board and nm modules… thanks,
but no thanks cisco. I’ll take the vg224. </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Dennis Heim<br>
Network Voice Engineer<br>
CDW Advanced Technology Services<br>
11711 N. Meridian Street, Suite 225<br>
Carmel, IN 46032<br>
<br>
<a href="tel:317.569.4255" target="_blank">317.569.4255</a> Single Number Reach<br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><a href="tel:317.569.4201" target="_blank">317.569.4201</a> Fax</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span><span style="color:#1F497D"><a href="http://cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/" target="_blank">cdw.com/content/solutions/unified-communications/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">
<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nick Matthews<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, January 21, 2011 10:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] a stack of VG224s vs C3945-112FXS/K9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="color:black">I don't know of any plans to sunset the VG224. The only difference between the VG224 and a ISR G2 is the PVDM3 DSPs. A 3845 and VG224 are functionally equivalent.<br>
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Differences between the PVDM2 and PVDM3's - video support. You'll see these be video transcoders/MCU type resources some time in the future. Possibly some enhanced codec support - namely the dreaded G.729-G.729 capability, and maybe some new codes. Price
- they are cheaper as you scale towards some of the higher densities (PVDM3-256 and 128).<br>
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Feature wise today, between the VG224 and 3945, I would say is almost nothing. At least in terms of using it as a high density analog solution.<br>
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-nick</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 10:30 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">I hear ya about the SG3 support. These are strictly analog lines for phones, not faxes, so I'm not too worried. However, from what I recall
from discussions on this list is that the VG224s have updated DSPs and that it's in the IOS that gives the SG3 support. Definitely something to think about for a FAX deployment.<br>
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Not quite sure the 3945 bundle is a replacement for a VG224 though. It's 112 ports vs 24. However, if they come out with a 2901 bundle with 16 ports, then yes, I would think the VG224 days are numbered. With the new vic3-4fxs ports, this is a possibility. ;)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">"Scott Voll" <<a href="mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">svoll.voip@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:04:03 AM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] a stack of VG224s vs C3945-112FXS/K9</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Are there any other features eg. Super G3 Fax that the 39xx supports that the VG's don't.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">ISR2's are NOT going anywhere any time soon. I would be interested to know if Cisco came out with this package, how long it will be before
the VG's get EoS/EoL as that seems to be Cisco's way. Bring out a replacement, then EoX the old stuff. Might be worth talking to the AM/SE about cisco's plans. I would hate to put out a bunch of $$$ and then have it EoX a month later....... Been there,
Done that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Just my 2 cents. (and we all know how much that's worth in today's economy ;-)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Scott</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:38 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">So I'm looking at migrating a large number of analog lines to our Cisco solution. Right now, the most economical approach is a stack of
VG224s, however, Cisco has a (new) bundle, the C3945-112FXS/K9. The per port cost is still quite a bit more (almost double) so I'm finding it difficult to justify even to myself, let alone mgmt. SmartNet costs are about equal, with the 3945 bundle just a bit
cheaper.<br>
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I understand that I would be managing 4.5 VG224s to every 3945 bundle, but really, once these things go in, they're really just left alone.
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Some other things I've been thinking:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Pro: 3945 has a slightly denser port count per RU (112/4RU vs 96/4RU)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Pro: 3945 would use less uplink ports (2 per 112 vs 8 per 96)</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Con: H/W issues would bring down 112 ports</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Con: shelving a spare would be much more expensive</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Con: configuration would be a bit more complex, different port types</span><o:p></o:p></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1">
<span style="font-size:10.0pt">Con: not known if SRST registration would behave the same way to a core 3945</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">What do others think? What would you do?<br>
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Lelio<br>
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>
(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>
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