<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>I had a client with a multiple campus Iwatsu system. We had problems with sip circuits. Client bought a new wan and UC system. One thing that came in first was a PRI which cured ALL problems with the Iwatsu. Now there are some nice features with the Cisco but..............<br><br>Rick Mitchell<div>Broadband Business Systems</div><div>3rd party Network Administrators</div><div>PC/Network/Audio Visual/Telephone Consultants</div><div><br></div><div>270-842-6789</div><div><br></div><div>Any day I learn something is a good day. If it is usefull, then it's a Great Day.</div><div><br><div><br></div></div></div><div><br>Begin forwarded message:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><b>From:</b> SouthEastTexasTelecom <<a href="mailto:SETXTelecom@att.net">SETXTelecom@att.net</a>><br><b>Date:</b> September 25, 2011 3:48:13 PM CDT<br><b>To:</b> 'cisco-voip' <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> <b>Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to SIP</b><br><br></div></blockquote><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Personally I cant see the need to change from ISDN PRI to SIP anyway.. I DON’T see the cost savings I would rather had a PRI into a switch for LOCAL calls/911!!! and use SIP for on-net and LD calls….(and have the ISDN PRI for backup!! I JUST DON’T like putting it all in one basket…cut the internet cord and you are SOL….WHY do people do this??).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">One small company locally had a Nortel KSU system with 3 analog trunks…..they changed to a NEC VoIP system…but KEPT the analog trunks!!! DUH!!! WHAT A WASTE OF MONEY!!! They get NOTHING they didn’t have with the Nortel (unless they didn’t have the CLID cards in the Nortel…BIG deal…that’s only $150 for the card…) They had CallPilot VM which does everything Cisco’s does….Someone mind explaining this to me???? I took Economics 101 in College (but I FLUNKED that course……who the hell can learn with one bloodshot eye at 7AM!???!!! Kudos to Lewis Black for that JOKE)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I am sorry but VoIP IS NOT the way to go for EVERYTHING….<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I HAVE added Vonage lines to Nortel KSUs with CallPilot that gave them unified messaging and free LD….funny, the cost was MUCH LOWER than a new Cisco system and they have ALL the features….SO someone tell me…WHY???????????????????? I JUST DON’T get it….(oh you can plug the phone into the network?? AHHH yeah after you put PoE routers in…there’s capital…..and then you change the phones out…more capital….AHHHH AM I MISSING SOMETHING HERE???? NO!!)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">YOU DON’T SAVE A DIME GOING TO CISCO VOIP from a TDM box for small/medium offices…MAYBE enterprise….MAYBE…but I doubt the ROI is worth it…<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">And we wonder why America businesses is sucking, especially in the tech area as a former leader…DUH!!!!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Owner, SouthEast Texas Telecom <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(and buying another telecom company for $2million to add to my customer base; I’ve been on the rodeo for 36+ years)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style="border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext"> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bill Simon<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 25, 2011 1:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to SIP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal">Someone please explain why the codec needs to change from G.711u to G.729 simply because of a transition from PRI to SIP?<br><br>Does AT&T's SIP service not support G.711? Or are you simply trying to squeeze more channels onto limited bandwidth? (Get more bandwidth.)<br><br><br>On 9/24/11 12:38 PM, Jason Aarons (AM) wrote: <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The larger you are the more advantages. For small business I agree sticking with PRI since you can get them dirt cheap. For example bank with 700 branches can see a 14 month ROI versus fractional PRIs across all those sites, more mpls bandwidth to branch for video/digital signage, fewer hardware costs, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Lelio Fulgenzi [<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca</a></a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> Jason Aarons (AM)<br><b>Cc:</b> Haas, Neal; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Moving to SIP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">Anyone else have the feeling SIP isn't all it's cracked up to be? In our case, if you're not already getting Internet service from your your SIP provider, it's just not that economical. Especially if you have to keep a PRI around for faxing, modems, alarms, etc. <br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br>On Sep 24, 2011, at 10:51 AM, "Jason Aarons (AM)" <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com"><a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D">Yes faxing/modem/postage won’t work. Look into separate device pools for g711 stuff, etc.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a></a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]">[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Haas, Neal<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 23, 2011 6:27 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Moving to SIP</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">We are moving to (ATT) SIP from standard PRI’s, of course we just realized that our unity is G711. <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Are there any gotchas by just changing the General Configuration to G729a?<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></blockquote><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><div><span>_______________________________________________</span><br><span>cisco-voip mailing list</span><br><span><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></span><br><span><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a></span><br></div></blockquote></body></html>