<html><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF"><div>Why are you a member of this list if you hate ip phones so much? Do you install Cisco UCM and hundreds of VG248s?<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Oct 6, 2011, at 22:51, "SouthEastTexasTelecom" <<a href="mailto:SETXTelecom@att.net">SETXTelecom@att.net</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">BUT lose the IP network and you are DEAD in the water….A writer for the Houston Chronicle (Ken Hoffman) has U Verse at his home..it went dead…ALL of it…he complained he could not call to complain his internet and TV was out…he dropped U Verse the next day…it was NOT due to a fiber cut<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">What happened to redundancy and NOT putting all your eggs in one basket???<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chris<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Wellnitz, Erick A. [mailto:erick.wellnitz@kattenlaw.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 2:42 PM<br><b>To:</b> Rick Gilliam; SouthEast Texas Telecom; 'Nate VanMaren'; 'Mark Pratt'; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While these old systems may be rock solid (as can Cisco with a good design) We’ve replaced two Nortel and are in the process of replacing a Siemens/ROLM system. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There are many compelling reasons to stay with an old system but there are also many compelling reasons to switch to your VoIP system of choice. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Single wire to the desktop <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Integration with Exchange and Outlook.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No gigantic rat’s nest of cross connects from 66 or 110 blocks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">XML Apps<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The phones are no longer ‘dumb’ endpoints<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The most adored feature from many of our end users is the BLF.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You can fit an entire VoIP solution in one rack opposed to the monstrosities these ‘old’ PBX systems are<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Honestly, 12 years is good for what the devices do. Would any of you expect a 12 year lifespan from your smartphone?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Rick Gilliam<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> SouthEast Texas Telecom; 'Nate VanMaren'; 'Mark Pratt'; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Agreed Chris as I have ROLM single and Multi-nodes that approach the 30 year acid test and continue to chug right along like the day they were installed Sir.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Rick G<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> SouthEast Texas Telecom <<a href="mailto:SETXTELECOM@att.net">SETXTELECOM@att.net</a>><br><b>To:</b> 'Nate VanMaren' <<a href="mailto:VanMarenNP@ldschurch.org">VanMarenNP@ldschurch.org</a>>; 'Mark Pratt' <<a href="mailto:Mark.Pratt@wageworks.com">Mark.Pratt@wageworks.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:58 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id="yiv1426493883"><div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Which is POOR….an Avaya, ROLM or Nortel will last 15-20 years…POOR ROI!!!!</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Chris</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nate VanMaren<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Pratt; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">A Cisco product manager for the some of the phones said they design the phones to last 10-12 years of normal use.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">-Nate</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in"><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Pratt<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a></a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">All,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Anyone got any input into average life expectancy of the 79XX series of phones? </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">We have had our 7960’s now for about 5 years and starting to see an upturn in the number of units experiencing failures of different types (and yes they are EOL).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Any input on newer models? </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I have been googling but did not find any info. I know environment/users have a lot to do with it. Just trying to get a “average” if possible.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thanks</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Mark</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#666666"><br><br>NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. 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