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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Right now Microsoft has one E911 certified SP called 911enable .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Interoperability portal:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/lync/gg131938#tab=6">http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/lync/gg131938#tab=6</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>911Enable’s site:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="https://www.911enable.com/business/solutions/microsoft.php">https://www.911enable.com/business/solutions/microsoft.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Marketing crap:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://lync.microsoft.com/en-us/Partners/Pages/communications-service-providers.aspx#a2">http://lync.microsoft.com/en-us/Partners/Pages/communications-service-providers.aspx#a2</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a blog about configuration:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><a href="http://blog.unplugthepbx.com/2011/07/06/lync-e911-deployment/">http://blog.unplugthepbx.com/2011/07/06/lync-e911-deployment/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>It’s more than just a SIP trunk, but there may be ways to make it work by ‘stepping into the sea of unsupportability’.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Norton, Mike [mailto:mikenorton@pwsd76.ab.ca] <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 07, 2011 12:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Matt Slaga (AM); Scott Voll; Rick Gilliam<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Hosted E911 over SIP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, it is interesting that you bring that up. Do you have any info/links on that? A potential Lync pilot project on the horizon is actually part of the reason I’m looking for an E911 solution. I thought it just had to be to a SIP trunk, not necessarily to an off-premise provider. I.e., a SIP trunk to an on-premise CER-like product would still work... at least, that was my thinking.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Norton<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I.T. Support<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peace Wapiti School Division No. 76<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Helpdesk: 780-831-3080<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Direct: 780-831-3076<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Matt Slaga (AM) <a href="mailto:[mailto:matt.slaga@dimensiondata.com]">[mailto:matt.slaga@dimensiondata.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> October-07-11 6:53 AM<br><b>To:</b> Norton, Mike; Scott Voll; Rick Gilliam<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Hosted E911 over SIP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Just for FYI, with Microsoft Lync, hosted E911 service is the only supported solution. Thought that would be interesting to bring up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> <a href="mailto:[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]">[mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Norton, Mike<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 6:58 PM<br><b>To:</b> Scott Voll; Rick Gilliam<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Hosted E911 over SIP<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yeah, I guess it would be a little less “dirty” feeling in cases where the whole phone is already across the Internet anyway. Hadn’t really thought of that scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>My inclination is to look for a product that does it like CER does, but all the vendors’ material that I’ve looked at makes it seem like hosted is the way to go, even though most of them do offer something for both methods. Thanks for the feedback; helps to confirm my thinking isn’t way out to lunch.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Mike Norton<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I.T. Support<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Peace Wapiti School Division No. 76<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Helpdesk: 780-831-3080<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Direct: 780-831-3076<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Scott Voll <a href="mailto:[mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com]">[mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com]</a> <br><b>Sent:</b> October-06-11 11:59 AM<br><b>To:</b> Rick Gilliam<br><b>Cc:</b> Norton, Mike; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Hosted E911 over SIP<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>I'm there too...... But i Know 911 enable does have an on site appliance so we can do the same as CER. <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>But where I think the "dirty feeling SIP" does come into place is with lots of telecommuters. I know of a very large company that has hundreds if not thousands of telecommuters that have soft and hard phones at home. They (the company) feels that they should provide 911 service to there telecommuters. Since each telecommuter does not have a VGW they use a E911 SIP provider to route the call to the correct PSAP. Now if you don't have any VGWs in a city that a telecommuter might be in.... I can see it.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>But for a normal environment...... I do understand the "dirty" feeling.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA>Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA>On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:19 AM, Rick Gilliam <<a href="mailto:rdg7656@yahoo.com">rdg7656@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Very well said Mike and I for one totally agree with your "Dirty and just wrong " of 911 traffic over the Net.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Most customer's I have met also say: it just sounds wrong no matter how much $$$ we save. these types of mission critical calls should be forced out over conventional media.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Rick G<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-CA style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "Norton, Mike" <<a href="mailto:mikenorton@pwsd76.ab.ca" target="_blank">mikenorton@pwsd76.ab.ca</a>><br><b>To:</b> "<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 6, 2011 1:04 PM<br><b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Hosted E911 over SIP</span><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Does anyone use any of those “hosted” E911 services (e.g. 911 Enable, Red Sky, etc.) where you send them the 911 calls over the Internet using SIP?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>In my mind, sending calls over the Internet feels dirty and wrong, and sending emergency calls that way feels just plain stupid. How do you deal with lack of QoS and having basically no control over availability or capacity? For regular calls, I could understand just living with it (in some applications) - but for 911? Seriously?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Is hosted E911 one of those services that looks pretty in a marketing PDF but nobody actually uses in real life?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>-- <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Mike Norton<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>I.T. Support<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Peace Wapiti School Division No. 76<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Helpdesk: <a href="tel:780-831-3080" target="_blank">780-831-3080</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>Direct: <a href="tel:780-831-3076" target="_blank">780-831-3076</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span lang=EN-CA style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span lang=EN-CA><br>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-CA><br><br><span style='color:white'>itevomcid</span> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></body></html>