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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Guys,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I was the one who asked the original phone life expectancy question and I just wanted to say thanks for all the information, insights and <b>entertainment</b>…… </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Consolas;color:#1F497D'>Mark<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 07, 2011 8:57 AM<br><b>To:</b> Paul<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>um, tell us more about this paging in CUE......<br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=zwchr></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>"Paul" <asobihoudai@yahoo.com><br><b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br><b>Cc: </b>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net, "Neal Haas" <nhaas@co.fresno.ca.us>, "SouthEastTexasTelecom" <SETXTelecom@att.net>, "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip@gmail.com><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, October 7, 2011 11:53:18 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Yeah, I remember you asking too....but we can still whine and moan as customers always do.. Heh.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Actually, the latest CUE does paging! I almost forgot about that... so as long as you're willing to purchase a CUE module in the future you might have Cisco Paging w/o CCME.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Maybe I'm getting some product confused, wouldn't be the first time, but I could've sworn that I saw that feature upcoming on some partner slides.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></strong><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br><b>To:</b> Paul <asobihoudai@yahoo.com><br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net; Neal Haas <nhaas@co.fresno.ca.us>; SouthEastTexasTelecom <SETXTelecom@att.net>; Scott Voll <svoll.voip@gmail.com><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 7, 2011 8:27 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv28613644><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>I asked the same question. CCME and CUCM are entirely different products. I believe CCME was a different acquisition. When I asked a while ago, I was told the two are for different markets and will not likely ever be feature paired.<br><br>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst (CCS) * University of Guelph * Guelph, Ontario N1G 2W1<br>(519) 824-4120 x56354 (519) 767-1060 FAX (JNHN)<br>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^<br>Cooking with unix is easy. You just sed it and forget it. <br> - LFJ (with apologies to Mr. Popeil)<br><br><o:p></o:p></span></p><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center id=yiv28613644zwchr></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:black'>"Paul" <asobihoudai@yahoo.com><br><b>To: </b>"Neal Haas" <nhaas@co.fresno.ca.us>, "SouthEastTexasTelecom" <SETXTelecom@att.net>, "Scott Voll" <svoll.voip@gmail.com><br><b>Cc: </b>cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, October 7, 2011 11:06:58 AM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Paging over the phones works *great* under CCME!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>...which always bugged me why CCME could do it so well but not CCM. . . *shrug*<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center;background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'><hr size=1 width="100%" align=center></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> "Haas, Neal" <nhaas@co.fresno.ca.us><br><b>To:</b> SouthEastTexasTelecom <SETXTelecom@att.net>; 'Scott Voll' <svoll.voip@gmail.com><br><b>Cc:</b> "cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 7, 2011 7:21 AM<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style='font-family:"Times","serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p><div id=yiv28613644><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Cisco is great compared to the Nortel System and a Siemens system I used to run. Much easier to manage, </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Now the Nortel junk system, when we replaced the Nortel phones of 25 and 32 years of usage. The Customers were dancing in the streets! All the functionality they gained! Why would you have one button for answering and another for hang-up? I asked this to the (NOW BANKRUPT) VP of sales for Nortel, his answer was “why would you want that functionality?” Nortel who?</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>So Now I have phones that are going to last ONLY 10 to 12 years instead of 25 years, but I have phones that have 100 times the functionality. To be honest I wish that they would only last 8, I want to refresh every 8 to 10 years.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>The only complaint I have against Cisco is the paging over the phones………poor</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Neal Haas</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>SouthEastTexasTelecom<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:08 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Scott Voll'<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>And should I WANT my phone system doing any APPS??? HMMM that’s scary…..;)</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>As for any PC, etc integration, that’s one thing..having the phones on the NETWORK?? Ahhhhhhhh can we say…..(no I am not going to post that word on a public forum! </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>) UP????</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt'><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> Scott Voll [mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 1:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> SouthEast Texas Telecom<br><b>Cc:</b> Nate VanMaren; Mark Pratt; cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>cisco pat answer...... But your not talking about a phone any longer.... your talking about a computer that looks like a phone. How long do you expect to get out of your desktop? Can the old ROLM do xml / apps / etc? <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>I'm not saying I agree...... but that's what cisco says.. ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><div style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>Scott<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='color:black'>On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 10:58 AM, SouthEast Texas Telecom <<a href="mailto:SETXTELECOM@att.net" target="_blank">SETXTELECOM@att.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Which is POOR….an Avaya, ROLM or Nortel will last 15-20 years…POOR ROI!!!!</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>Chris</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nate VanMaren<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 11:58 AM<br><b>To:</b> Mark Pratt; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>A Cisco product manager for the some of the phones said they design the phones to last 10-12 years of normal use.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'>-Nate</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;color:black'> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Pratt<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 06, 2011 10:48 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Phones-Life expectancy</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>All,</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Anyone got any input into average life expectancy of the 79XX series of phones? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>We have had our 7960’s now for about 5 years and starting to see an upturn in the number of units experiencing failures of different types (and yes they are EOL).</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Any input on newer models? </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I have been googling but did not find any info. I know environment/users have a lot to do with it. Just trying to get a “average” if possible.</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Thanks</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Mark</span><span style='color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='background:white'><span style='font-size:7.0pt;color:#666666'><br><br>NOTICE: This email message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. 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