<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>When doing the UC on UCS designs you basically need to make sure:<br></div>-The processor family is support (Intel E7-XXXX, no AMD, etc)<br></div>-The processor speed is high enough<br>
</div>-No memory over subscription<br></div>-No CPU over subscription (can't use hyperthreading to cheat)<br></div>-All VMs meet co-residency and lowest common denominator on hardware specs/VMware version<br></div><div>
-Correct VMware version for VM specs and application requirements<br></div>-IOPS availability for SAN/Local disk<br></div><div>-Storage space available<br><br></div>Generally on the C-series it's IOPS that is the bottleneck. For B-series it's usually the CPU count. For instance, just because you can get enough space on the C-series it doesn't mean it's supported. Plus, getting exact IOPS counts for your drive types/speeds/RAID levels isn't a simple task so there is usually a level of engineering tolerance built in; on top of using worst-case simultaneous IOPS for all applications for the determined size.<br>
<br></div>So it's gotten a lot more flexible in the last few years, but after doing this sizing and support exercise, the TRCs are still a pretty valuable play. If anything, configure the same thing as the TRC and drop down the memory as most UC on UCS VM's are usually 64GB of RAM but probably only 20% utilized.<br>
<br></div>-nick<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Lelio Fulgenzi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div style="font-size:10pt;font-family:verdana,helvetica,sans-serif">yes, i tried that tool as well. got the same answer (on my side, and the other side).<br>
<br>i have a sneaking suspicion, they didn't like my answer because I was using two C260-M2s. they came back and told me to use 4 C240-M3s. i really liked the C260 and only having to deal with two boxes, one in each data centre. plus, it was a bit cheaper, and when i asked at Live 2012, I was told (with obvious caveats) that a C260-M3 would likely come down the line as well.<br>
<br>i believe the bigger boxes like the C260 are off the TRC roadmap and there will only be mid-size boxes like the C240, everything else is pushing towards the blade infrastructure. <br><br>so they were likely trying to do me a favour. ;)<br>
<br>salt, grain, etc.<div class="im"><br><br><br><br><div><span name="x"></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst, Data Centre and Communications Facilities<br>Computing and Communications Services (CCS)<br>University of Guelph<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 05, 2013 10:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott Voll<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] UC on UCS</span></p>
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I think you'll find the proverbial, "it depends" is the answer.<br>
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The wiki doc starts here: <br>
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</span><a href="http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_Virtualization_Sizing_Guidelines#General_Rules_for_Co-residency_and_Physical.2FVirtual_Hardware_Sizing" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_Virtualization_Sizing_Guidelines#General_Rules_for_Co-residency_and_Physical.2FVirtual_Hardware_Sizing</span></a><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif""><br>
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You'll have to get your apps lined up and see which ones have what rules.<br>
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But I have a feeling, that this doc wiki, as updated as it may be, sometimes is not "authoritative". I had an interesting discussion with my SE as far as how many VMs I could run on one UCS chassis. I read the doc, came up with a plan, and word came back, both
from the SE and from his support team that my design was over provisioned. I'm pushing back, asking them why if all I did was read the documentation and sized it accordingly. Never got a good explanation as to why the conflict.<br>
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Good luck.<br>
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