<div dir="ltr"><div>That's almost accurate.</div><div> </div><div>They have followed the stated business need for QoS to a point. WAN QoS is great. They did a bang up job on that. The problem is they are resisting LAN/L2 QoS for various reasons and are trying to claim it isn't needed at that level. The resistance I see is always QoS at L2. I understand the fear of QoS at L2 as it has taken me many years to become comfortable with it.</div>
<div> </div><div>Is this a misunderstanding that throwing bandwidth at voice eliminates the need for priorizing voice traffic? I'm trying to understand why there is resistance for end to end QoS by a fair amount of network engineers (CCIEs included) and a good strategy for illustrating to them why it is important. I want to convince by educating, not browbeating. </div>
<div> </div><div>Are there any good tools available to check hop by hop what is happening with QoS? </div><div> </div><div> </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Anthony Holloway <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>What are you saying here Eric, that your experience has been that Data Engineers do not like to implement QoS and will argue against it?<br>
<br></div>If so, I have never run across that. The decision to implement QoS is not a technical one, but a business one. The IT people serve the business, and any IT professional worth his salt will design solutions based on business requirements, not on his personal biases.<br>
<br></div>I have run across Voice Engineers making decisions based on biases. E.g., Removing Personal Directories from phones or not putting iDivert in the Connected softkey layout, simply because they don't use the phones that way themselves.<br>
<br></div>If you meant something else entirely, then I'm sorry I misunderstood you.<br></div>
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