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I agree, and unfortunately our current licensing model is structured such that the public space phones consume a license just as they would if they were the only phone associated to a user with no additional features.
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<div>On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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Thanks Ryan,
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<div>Sorry to keep banging on about this, but I'm still a bit confused.</div>
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<div>I definitely don't want to get more licensing than we are entitled to.</div>
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<div>I think from CUCM point of view, and based on below.</div>
<div>Phones without owners are essentially considered public space.</div>
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<div>Phones with owners associated, would get attributed in the right place, i.e. CUWL standard, pro etc.</div>
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<div>In extension mobility environments, usually none of our phones have owners associated.</div>
<div>So when we go to add CSF's for Jabber for instance, we come unstuck.</div>
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<div>I recommend when looking at the User Count Tool or whatever tool you are using to do your license migration (before the upgrade) you should count your public space phones as a separate user that will require a license.
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<div>I understand Licensing is being very generous for current migrations however I would pay careful attention to what you ask for and what you get as compared to what you currently pay for so there are no big surprises at your next renewal.<br>
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<div>On Oct 8, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>></div>
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<div>Does that mean we should ask licensing for a public space lic per em phone?</div>
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<div>We don't actually need to buy more licenses right?</div>
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On 9 Oct 2013, at 1:09 am, "Ryan Ratliff (rratliff)" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Today that is the solution and when doing your DLU to ELM conversion you need to plan accordingly.</div>
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<div>On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); ">I have seen that one before, I’m not sure that is the same issue.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(58, 58, 58); ">This is in regard to the physical phones not been allocated to a user. (i.e. assigning phones owner ID’s)</span></div>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Joe Martini [mailto:joemar2@<a href="http://cisco.com/">cisco.com</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 8 October 2013 10:08 AM<br>
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Versions of CUCM that contain the fix for CSCue14471 no longer have this issue.</div>
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<a href="http://tools.cisco.com/Support/BugToolKit/search/getBugDetails.do?method=fetchBugDetails&bugId=CSCue14471" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">http://tools.cisco.com/Support/BugToolKit/search/getBugDetails.do?method=fetchBugDetails&bugId=CSCue14471</a></div>
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On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>> wrote:</div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Hi guys,</span></div>
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<a href="http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cisco/voip/172472?search_string=owner%20cuwl;#172472" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(149, 79, 114); ">http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cisco/voip/172472?search_string=owner%20cuwl;#172472</span></a><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Most clients do not assign owner ID as they use extension mobility.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(I will admit it is true that a lot of mobility users actually stay logged into the same phone and we could technically assign them as the owner)</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Either way, I keep ending up with my licensing in ELM being out of balance due to having phones and CSF’s.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Am I missing something here? Is there another solution?</span></div>
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