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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks mate,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m ok with the structure (well I think it still needs work – so hopefully product team will continue to improve it)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In these scenario’s it’s usually 99% of the phones actually get logged into by 1 user (so they really do have a user and are not
really public space) – it’s just as the admins use EM, they don’t keep track and update the physical devices to reflect this (as you’d expect – most people use EM as a deployment / roll out tool (instead of TAPS) these days so they don’t need to worry about
linking physical phones to people)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">There were also some good threads on the partner communities about this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’m more interested now in working around what is there. I have a few ideas.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><![if !supportLists]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I have a bulk login script, which logs people in, at the same time I could put in an AXL update to update owner ID as I
go. (There is still on-going maintenance issue though)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A proxy type login service (new front end for EM, could also take care of this)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Or one of the PC based login systems (it could also do the AXL update)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Also, just trying out assigning phones to single user.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I’ll do some more investigation!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thanks for your comments so far!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Tim</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#F15A23"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) [mailto:rratliff@cisco.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 10 October 2013 4:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Tim Smith<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Joe Martini (joemar2); cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 9.x ELM and Owner ID<br>
<b>Importance:</b> High<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree, and unfortunately our current licensing model is structured such that the public space phones consume a license just as they would if they were the only phone associated to a user with no additional features.
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<p class="MsoNormal">-Ryan <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Oct 9, 2013, at 2:53 AM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thanks Ryan,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sorry to keep banging on about this, but I'm still a bit confused.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I definitely don't want to get more licensing than we are entitled to.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">I think from CUCM point of view, and based on below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phones without owners are essentially considered public space.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Phones with owners associated, would get attributed in the right place, i.e. CUWL standard, pro etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In extension mobility environments, usually none of our phones have owners associated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So when we go to add CSF's for Jabber for instance, we come unstuck.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"> </span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Ryan
Ratliff (rratliff) <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Wednesday, 9 October 2013 1:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim Smith<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Joe Martini (joemar2); <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">
cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 9.x ELM and Owner ID</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">I recommend when looking at the User Count Tool or whatever tool you are using to do your license migration (before the upgrade) you should count your public space phones as
a separate user that will require a license. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">I understand Licensing is being very generous for current migrations however I would pay careful attention to what you ask for and what you get as compared to what you currently
pay for so there are no big surprises at your next renewal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">-Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">On Oct 8, 2013, at 10:25 AM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Thanks Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Does that mean we should ask licensing for a public space lic per em phone?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">We don't actually need to buy more licenses right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Tim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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On 9 Oct 2013, at 1:09 am, "Ryan Ratliff (rratliff)" <<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com">rratliff@cisco.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">As soon as you add SNR or a soft client to those users you have to double up on licenses to account for the public space phones.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Today that is the solution and when doing your DLU to ELM conversion you need to plan accordingly.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">On Oct 7, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au">tim.smith@enject.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A">I have seen that one before, I’m not sure that is the same issue.</span><span style="color:#282828"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#3A3A3A">Cheers,</span><span style="color:#282828"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">From:</span></b><span class="apple-converted-space"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828"> </span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#282828">Joe
Martini [mailto:joemar2@<a href="http://cisco.com/">cisco.com</a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 8 October 2013 10:08 AM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tim Smith<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 9.x ELM and Owner ID</span><span style="color:#282828"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#282828">Versions of CUCM that contain the fix for CSCue14471 no longer have this issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#282828">On Oct 7, 2013, at 6:00 PM, Tim Smith <<a href="mailto:tim.smith@enject.com.au"><span style="color:purple">tim.smith@enject.com.au</span></a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#282828"><a href="http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cisco/voip/172472?search_string=owner%20cuwl;#172472"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#954F72">http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/cisco/voip/172472?search_string=owner%20cuwl;#172472</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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