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<div>I'm not sure if pricing is more attractive in be6k too. But sounds like you would have to look at how to migrate (if possible) your existing licensing and support to be6k anyway.</div>
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<div>The provisioning software is a nice bonus too, but as I say I'm hoping next version will be big improvement. </div>
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<div>I would say in your case</div>
<div>Core products are the same</div>
<div>Virtualisation is no barrier</div>
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<div>It might just come down to financials</div>
<div>Check out the licensing costs and also look at your 3rd party hardware, as you say you could probably get more bang for buck here</div>
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On 23 Oct 2013, at 6:17 pm, "Robin Clayton" <<a href="mailto:Robin.Clayton@rrfa.org.uk">Robin.Clayton@rrfa.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">So given that </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have run vMware for 6 years in one form or another,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">I have trialled DRS P2V on vMware and familiar with that.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">We would be doing an upgrade rather than 1<sup>st</sup> deployment.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">It sounds like BE6k offers no major advantages to me, buying a UCS220 or equivalent specification Dell server would do the job fine.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D">Will look at the readiness tools.</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> 22 October 2013 21:22<br>
<b>To:</b> Robin Clayton; <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] Migrating from CUCM 7.1 & Unity to BE6000</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Hey mate,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">The main benefit of BE6k is really the packaging and bundling (in my opinion)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">It has come a long way since the beginning, and the current 9.X version is quite cool.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">The good bits..</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">It’s really just CUCM, CUCXN, UCCX, IM&P (depending on the options you go for)</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">It’s all on tested ref config (with matching OVA’s) to make it easy to handle the VM part – i.e. it’s really easy to spec. It just removes all the hassle for anyone that is not overly familiar with
virtualization yet.</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A"><span style="">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">You include VM licensing and support (so it’s all in the same price / package)</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">All the media is pre-loaded on the UCS data store for you (no messing with DVD’s, or downloads)</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">VMWare ESXi hypervisor is pre-installed for you</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">There is some great documentation that ties everything together, and gives you some good step by steps</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">They give you the provisioning products (this bridges the gap from when you had a special BE version of CUCM and CUCXN with tighter integration)</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">As I said before, they are really just the individual components you know and love bundled together, you don’t really need to know anything specific about BE6k as such</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Other cool apps – VCS starter bundle, paging etc</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">The bad</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A"><span style="">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Provisioning tools are not quite there yet for me. Hoping for improvements with 10. I think they are still too complicated for the target market</span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph" style="text-indent:-18.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A"><span style="">-<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">If you are in the US, you can do a fairly quick deployment with the provisioning tools, but outside US you would still need to customise, so I just configure the machines from scratch myself today</span></p>
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</span></span></span><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Install could still be more streamlined with templates or something, I’m sure they will be working on this already</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">In your case for migration…</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Most of these benefits, are probably more around going to BE6k for first time rather than coming from CUCM, but they still probably apply</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">I would be very surprised if you could not use the standard physical to virtual migration path in this case.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">i.e. build your virtual machines as mirror images of production environment, take DRS backup, restore to virtual environment (from 7 to 9 – this would be a jump upgrade)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">CUCM in 6k is the same as a full CUCM (same with the other products) – this is not the same as BE3k or BE5k which are different builds / products.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Unity Connection also allows you to install 7 on virtual for upgrade purposes, and them upgrade to 9 (the original jump upgrade!)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">If for some reason, you couldn’t go that route, you could look at BAT export / imports for CUCM, and COBRAS for Unity Cxn.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Hope that helps!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Cheers,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="color:#3A3A3A">Tim</span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 October 2013 1:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Migrating from CUCM 7.1 & Unity to BE6000</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dear All.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">CUCM 7.1.x</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there a guide on migrating these to a BE6000 server retaining the configuration?
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<p class="MsoNormal">I looked but I could not find a guide.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is there any advantage of the BE6000 over a UCS with CUCM and Unity installed on it?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The environment only require less than 200 phones.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Cheers</p>
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