<html><head><style type='text/css'>p { margin: 0; }</style></head><body><div style='font-family: verdana,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt; color: #000000'>I hear ya. <br><br>No jumping for Lelio.<br><br><div><span name="x"></span>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure<br>Computing and Communications Services (CCS)<br>University of Guelph<br><br>519‐824‐4120 Ext 56354<br>lelio@uoguelph.ca<br>www.uoguelph.ca/ccs<br>Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building<br>Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1<span name="x"></span><br></div><br><hr id="zwchr"><div style="color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>From: </b>"Ryan Ratliff (rratliff)" <rratliff@cisco.com><br><b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br><b>Cc: </b>"cisco-voip voyp list" <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net>, "Matthew Loraditch" <MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com><br><b>Sent: </b>Wednesday, February 12, 2014 12:00:49 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>Re: [cisco-voip] Upgrades prohibited... *sigh*<br><br>
What was stated earlier is correct for you Lelio.
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<div>Go back to the old docs, forget you ever heard of a thing called Jump upgrade, and move forward like you would have otherwise.</div>
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<div>Yes, you do need to apply your rehosted license AFTER the DRS restore. CSCtb86875 is the particular defect you'll hit if you apply the new licenses before the restore.</div>
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<div>On Feb 11, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Matthew Loraditch <<a href="mailto:MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com" target="_blank">MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div>I'm probably exaggerating a bit with that millions number ;)<br>
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On Feb 11, 2014, at 7:08 PM, "Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Matthew. I will be reviewing the standard CallManager v9.1 upgrade document in the morning and see how that goes with the license file that I have which is tied to the offline pub's MAC address.<br>
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As far as the millions of questions are concerned, not sure what to say about that. I suspect there are not a lot of people out there doing what I'm doing, but am I the only one? wow. I was on the collaboration user group session and brought this up, and I'm
pretty sure I saw another hand up for the question as well. Unfortunately, it didn't get much attention.<br>
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<b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"cisco-voip" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, 11 February, 2014 5:37:40 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [cisco-voip] Upgrades prohibited... *sigh*<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Well I mean cisco supports your migration method in general. Just forget there was ever a process called jump and what would you have done? Reinstall on new
hardware, restore, rehost licenses and then upgrade (using the refresh file because of the version in question). You only need the original 1.1 refresh file at that point. Then you wouldn’t even be modifying anything to do with licensing.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I will say I have not heard in all of the forums I participate in, customer, partner, twitter of anyone else doing what you are doing. There were a million
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 5:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Loraditch<br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Upgrades prohibited... *sigh*</span></p>
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lol. thanks Matthew. <br>
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I think I'm going to have to engage our partner for an official answer this week, while I try out some scenarios. Bottom line is, if Cisco isn't going to officially support this or help out, then I have to go to management and let them know, and they can raise
the roof. ;) It would be nice to at least get a "no, sorry, the COP refresh file does not properly disable upgrade restrictions on MCS hardware" - or something like that.<br>
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I can't believe I'm the only one out here that doesn't have the money to go to VM just yet, and has enough hardware to do an off-line install with supported hardware. I guess if the supported way to is to get licenses rehosted, than I'm OK with that, as long
as our partner will support us when the requests go to licensing.<br>
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Interestingly enough, I was reading the main page (<a href="https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-35163" target="_blank">https://supportforums.cisco.com/docs/DOC-35163</a>) and found the following bug listed there (<a href="https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCtb86875" target="_blank">https://tools.cisco.com/bugsearch/bug/CSCtb86875</a>)
which states that I need install the license after the DRS restore. So this would make the correct order:</span></p>
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We'll have to see how my next test goes.<br>
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Funny thing is, the license reporting page shows no problem with the licenses. Weird.<br>
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Oh well, tomorrow's another day.<br>
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<b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"cisco-voip" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 11, 2014 4:37:50 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [cisco-voip] Upgrades prohibited... *sigh*</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes you are technically correct about the refresh file. The original version was designed to allow the OS upgrades that happened with <8.6 to 8.6+. They then
added the removal of the license check with v1.2 and 1.3 of the refresh solely for the Jump upgrade. So yes you will need the refresh file to install 9.1.2 but you won’t have to deal with the licensing crud if you rehost.</span><span style=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The jump upgrade is the recommended path because VMWare is the recommended path what you are doing is what every cisco partner, TAC and sales employee doesn’t
want you to do, but technically still supports. We all still love you Lelio, but I know the PM in charge of the OS stuff and he’d cringe knowing you were doing this :)</span><span style=""></span></p>
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<b>To:</b> Matthew Loraditch<br>
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Hi Matthew, re-hosting licenses is definitely an option. I wanted to make sure that this path _didn't_ work first, because it is the recommended/advertised approach.
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I'm lucky in that I already have the licenses for my test cluster which match this isolated publisher MAC, since they were issued on this isolated pub first, and I rehosted to another one due to some issues.
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For my production cluster, it means rehosting to the isolated pub MAC and going forward.<br>
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Your comment regarding "the only reason you need the refresh file is because 6.1 and 7.1 can’t read licenses when running on VMWare" is interesting because according to the readme file, it's for more than that. In fact, it doesn't mention licensing at all.</span><span style=""></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">The question then becomes, at what point do I install the license files, before or after the COP_refresh file?<br>
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<b>To: </b>"Lelio Fulgenzi" <</span><span style=""><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">>, "cisco-voip" <</span><span style=""><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</span></a></span><span style="font-family: Helvetica, sans-serif;">><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:42:06 PM<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [cisco-voip] Upgrades prohibited... *sigh*</span><span style=""></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Just being devil’s advocate but since you aren’t going to VM, why don’t you just rehost the license files. It seems like you may have spent more time trying
to JUMP when the only reason you need the refresh file is because 6.1 and 7.1 can’t read licenses when running on VMWare. You can do that once and since it’s hardware the MAC isn’t going to change no matter how many times you have to run through the install.
Seems easier to open that case once and wait a few hours for rehosted licenses.</span><span style=""></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 11, 2014 3:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> cisco-voip<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] Upgrades prohibited... *sigh*</span><span style=""></span></p>
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OK, so, I've attempted the upgrade from v7.1(5b)SU3 to v9.1(2)SU1 and I've got the dreaded "upgrades prohibited during license grace period" error. *big sigh*<br>
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I'm using this as a resource: <br>
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</span><span style=""><a href="https://supportforums.cisco.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/35163-6-15369435/Drive_to_Nine_Jump_upgrade_versions_4.1.3-7.1.5_to_9.1.2-3%5B1%5D.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">https://supportforums.cisco.com/servlet/JiveServlet/download/35163-6-15369435/Drive_to_Nine_Jump_upgrade_versions_4.1.3-7.1.5_to_9.1.2-3%5B1%5D.pdf</span></a></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;"><br>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I am not recreating my cluster on VM ware, I am using supported MCS servers</span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I installed 7.1(5b)SU3 via a "install with patch" process, using 7.1(3a) media</span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I installed the the v1.3 COP refresh file next and did NOT reboot the cluster</span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I performed a DRS restore and recovered first the publisher, then the subscriber</span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">I rebooted the subscriber first, then the publisher</span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif"">Performed dbreplication recovery (with an unfortunate reboot in the middle)</span></li></ul>
<p><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif;">I guess the biggest question is whether or not the COP refresh files disables the licenses restrictions on MCS servers or not. Or whether I should attempt this again, or call the TAC for them
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Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>
Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure<br>
Computing and Communications Services (CCS)<br>
University of Guelph<br>
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