Thanks for sharing your experience Jason. What was the exceed action set to? Drop or remark and transmit? Do you recall? I'm thinking drop, because a remark to what would typically be CS1 shouldn't cause too much of a fuss as long as there's not congestion on the network.<div><br></div><div>Actually, that brings up a question in my mind: What percent of time does an average enterprise network spend in a congestive state?</div><div><br></div><div>This wikipedia article sheds some light on it with the following:</div><div><br></div><div>"Even on fast computer networks (e.g. Gigabit Ethernet), the backbone can easily be congested by a few servers and client PCs"</div><div><br></div><div><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_congestion">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_congestion</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>But it doesn't elaborate if that's with light usage or streaming HD videos off of Netflix. My curiosity is more around your average worker, checking email, surfing the web, chatting over IM, etc.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat Nov 22 2014 at 7:40:55 PM Jason Aarons (AM) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Holloway; Cisco VoIP Group<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] QoS Policing Bandwidth Question<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Sent: </span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">11/22/2014 9:17 PM</span><br>
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</b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">[cisco-voip] QoS Policing Bandwidth Question</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A. 80Kbps<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, I am studying QoS at the moment. ;)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, here's my answer and why I think that it's right...Stop reading if you haven't picked your answer yet.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Only read on after selecting your own answer, so that my answer does not influence your choice.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The same would go for any replies to this discussion, pick your answer first, then read what others are saying.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, here we go...<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I choose F. None of the above<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Here is why...also, if you click the links, it will take you to a reference for each value and why they were chosen as choices to this question.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A. <a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/admin/7_1_2/ccmsys/accm-712-cm/a02cac.html#wp1033346" target="_blank">80Kbps</a> is the bitrate of the codec, so that's plain wrong. It's lacking all L2 - 4 headers.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">B. <a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/support/docs/voice/voice-quality/7934-bwidth-consume.html#topic1" target="_blank">87.2Kbps</a> does consider the L2 - 4 headers, but it fails to account for Ethernet CRC and IPG.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">C. <a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/Enterprise/WAN_and_MAN/QoS_SRND/QoS-SRND-Book/QoSIntro.html#29651" target="_blank">93Kbps</a> also considers the L2 - 4 headers, while ignoring the CRC+IPG, but it does account for a 5% overhead
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<p class="MsoNormal">1) The value isn't a clean increment of 500 bps or 1Kbps, so when you type in: police 96.8k, the switch will change it to 96.5k, forcing you to go with 97k. Then how would your value look if you needed to police for more than one call
(<a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cust_contact/contact_center/mediasense/105_SU1/Design_Guide/CUMS_BK_MC36D963_00_mediasense-srnd_105_SU1/CUMS_BK_MC36D963_00_mediasense-srnd_10-5_chapter_01110.html#CUMS_RF_PE0FD1E8_00" target="_blank">think BIB
media forking</a>)? 97k * 2 = 194k. 97k * 2.5 = 242.5k I don't know about you, but I would have to double check with a calculator to find out if those values were correct.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b> police 96500 8000 exceed-action drop</b><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">2) The value doesn't consider any overhead or "wiggle room." I'd rather allow an extra 5% of traffic and carry the burden on the network versus impact a voice call.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since all choices come with a caveat, I'd like to go with 100Kbps.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*A modified wording from <a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/Enterprise/WAN_and_MAN/QoS_SRND/QoS-SRND-Book/QoSIntro.html#pgfId-46536" target="_blank">
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Said I Could Rely On It</a>," etc.), why not go with something original and creative and defend your answer with a well thought out explanation? Who knows, you might provoke the next big revolution in QoS. Oh wait, that's MediaNet, isn't it?<u></u><u></u></p>
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