<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm in the same boat </div><div><br></div><div>I took my ccnp voice back when it was called ccvp and had gateway gatekeeper on it</div><div><br></div><div>It feels like a slap in the face that passing the CCIE collaboration won't give you a ccnp collaboration upgrade to your ccnp voice. <br><br><p style="margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;"><b style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Dane Newman</b></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0pt;"><strong style="background-color: rgba(255, 255, 255, 0);">Sent from my mobile device</strong></p></div></div><div><br>On Feb 17, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Heim, Dennis <<a href="mailto:Dennis.Heim@wwt.com">Dennis.Heim@wwt.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This year will mark 10 years hold the CCVP/CCNP Voice for me, and mine expires Fall of this year. When I took all the exams there was still a gateway/gatekeeper
exam. In my case basically I need to pass all the exams or achieve a CCIE Collaboration certification before my CCNP Voice expires.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My approach is this:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Renew CCNP Voice by taking any of the existing CCNP Voice exams.
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Keeps is active and alive and give me time to get motivated for more certs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If I have time work through the other exams in this order before Q4.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span>i.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">TVOICE (642-427)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span>ii.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman""> </span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">CAPPS (642-467)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Pass CIPTV2 sometime over the next couple years to get CCNP Collaboration.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I cannot say all of this really excites me.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> cisco-voip [<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ben Story<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, February 17, 2015 1:10 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ryan Huff<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CCNA/CCNP Collaboration certs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Better than how they handled CCSP to CCNP Security and required a complete redo.<br>
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On Feb 17, 2015, at 11:57 AM, Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">What gets me is that a CCNP Voice needs one test to upgrade to CCNP Collaboration (<a href="http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/tools/ccnp_collab/ccnp_collab_tool.html">http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/tools/ccnp_collab/ccnp_collab_tool.html</a>).
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Really? Only one test's worth of info is what changes between Voice and Collaboration?<br>
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If you are going to retire and invalidate a credential and move to another tract altogether, then it should be a top-down revamp, not just one test of a few new questions about video.<br>
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This feels like it is nothing more than re branding/marketing; and I shouldn't have to pay for that.<br>
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My grumpy two cents,<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2015 10:10:24 -0600<br>
From: <a href="mailto:ben.story@gmail.com">ben.story@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a href="mailto:wokka@justfamily.org">wokka@justfamily.org</a><br>
CC: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] CCNA/CCNP Collaboration certs<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it just me or does it seem weird for a CCNA level to now require two tests. Money grab?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:wokka@justfamily.org" target="_blank">wokka@justfamily.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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