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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-GB link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Thanks Dennis, that’s interesting figures. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Surprised that Cisco in their SRNDs and even the end to end Qos book, have used a 128k everywhere, without any explanation that this depends on the codecs/no. of calls. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Heim, Dennis [mailto:Dennis.Heim@wwt.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> 16 April 2015 12:42<br><b>To:</b> Abbas Wali; 'Anthony Holloway'<br><b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip@puck.nether.net<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] PER CALL BANDWIDTH CONSUMPTION OVER ETHERNET+802.1Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>With BiB it is 3x your codec.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>G.711 example:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>80k down far-end audio (remote party->current user)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>80k up current user audio (current user->remote party)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>3.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>80k up bib far-end audio (current user->recording server)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoListParagraph style='text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><span style='mso-list:Ignore'>4.<span style='font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'> </span></span></span><![endif]><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>80k up bib current user audio. (current user->recording server).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>On a G.711 call you would have need 80k down and 240k up.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='text-autospace:none'><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>Dennis Heim | Emerging Technology Architect (Collaboration)</span></b><span lang=EN-US 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style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> cisco-voip [<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net">mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Abbas Wali<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 16, 2015 5:16 AM<br><b>To:</b> 'Anthony Holloway'<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] PER CALL BANDWIDTH CONSUMPTION OVER ETHERNET+802.1Q<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span lang=EN-US><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'>Thanks mate. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Anthony Holloway [<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com">mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> 15 April 2015 21:46<br><b>To:</b> abbas Wali<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] PER CALL BANDWIDTH CONSUMPTION OVER ETHERNET+802.1Q<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I read somewhere that a phone could generate up to 2.5x call traffic with its BIB. Multiplying by 3x would still be acceptable, I would think.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The 8000 is a burst threshold over the policed rate. It's always been 8000 in my experience, but probably only because no one knows enough to adjust it You cannot have an average and a max rate with voice. It's constant (excluding VAD). Video on the other hand is variable.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you are studying for your CCIE, I can share with you that Cisco has publicly stated they have some percentage of forgiveness. I.e., If they say 3 g711ulaw calls worth of bandwidth, and I enter 90*3=270, but you enter 93*3=279 (or even round up to 280), we would both get the points. What the percentage is, I don't recall. I want to say it was like 10%. So for every 100kbps, you can be plus or minus 10kbps.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 1:00 PM abbas Wali <<a href="mailto:abbaseo@gmail.com">abbaseo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Anthony, <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>yes makes sense. but for the sake of argu. a single phone with even with BIB how many max g711 streams it can get to. 3? if so, for a safe figure can multiply by 3. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>moreover, I dont really understand this statement </span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:#2B2B2B'>police 90500 8000 exc drop - as per docs, the actual transmission is 8k but on the avg. the max is 90k ( plz correct if wrong)</span><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15 April 2015 at 18:10, Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><p class=MsoNormal>After reading the Medianet document, I'm certain they are just giving you an example, not a definitive answer nor the best practice. While 128kbps does police the port to a single g711ulaw call, it also allows for a little wiggle room, which I like. If you are looking for the absolute minimum bandwidth needed for a g711ulaw call, you could go lower than 128kbps, but you wouldn't gain anything. Don't forget that the BIB of the phone could cause more than a single call's worth of RTP to ingress the switch port, in which case your 128kbps would not be enough and you would have issues with things such as network recording or silent monitoring.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:19 AM abbas Wali <<a href="mailto:abbaseo@gmail.com" target="_blank">abbaseo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>medianet is <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/Enterprise/WAN_and_MAN/QoS_SRND_40/QoSCampus_40.html" target="_blank">http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/solutions/Enterprise/WAN_and_MAN/QoS_SRND_40/QoSCampus_40.html</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Vik's post </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><a href="http://www.collabcert.com/blog/qos/how-much-bandwidth-does-1-call-consume/" target="_blank">http://www.collabcert.com/blog/qos/how-much-bandwidth-does-1-call-consume/</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 15 April 2015 at 13:44, Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal>Can you link us to the sources in question? I personally need a little more context to go with your question. <br><br>In general, policing a single g711ulaw call is around 93kbps, and rounding it to 100kbps still achieves the goal of policing a single call. And yes, a class based policer would police media and signaling separately. <br><br>Also, I saw something on medianet at last year Cisco Live, but other than that, I'm clueless about medianet. I can't say if and how things changed once medianet came in to the picture. I'm sure Vik wasn't considering that either, based on the fact that he teaches CCIE Collab boot camps, and medianet is not a part of the blueprint. <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 4:22 AM abbas Wali <<a href="mailto:abbaseo@gmail.com" target="_blank">abbaseo@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>hi all,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black'>Vik Malhi posted that for a successful g711 call <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><pre style='margin-bottom:18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;vertical-align:baseline;border:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392);outline:0px;max-width:100%;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;overflow:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#2B2B2B'>HQSW(config-pmap-c)#police 90500 8000 exc drop ! 0 packet loss<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;vertical-align:baseline;border:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392);outline:0px;max-width:100%;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;overflow:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#2B2B2B'>now, as per Ciso medianet 4<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;vertical-align:baseline;border:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392);outline:0px;max-width:100%;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;overflow:auto'><span style='font-size:8.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>The VoIP and signaling traffic from the VVLAN can be policed to drop at 128 kbps and 32 kbps, respectively (as any excessive traffic matching this criteria would be indicative of network abuse)</span><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#2B2B2B'><o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;vertical-align:baseline;border:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392);outline:0px;max-width:100%;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;overflow:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#2B2B2B'>Question is 128 kbps supports 1 single voice stream of g711 OR if you go with Vik, you need to multiply 90500 with the number of calls you need on that port. I will assume that the sig is classified differently and handled by diff policer on that port.<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;vertical-align:baseline;border:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392);outline:0px;max-width:100%;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;overflow:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#2B2B2B'><o:p> </o:p></span></pre><pre style='margin-bottom:18.0pt;line-height:18.0pt;vertical-align:baseline;border:rgba(0,0,0,0.0980392);outline:0px;max-width:100%;white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;overflow:auto'><span style='font-size:11.5pt;color:#2B2B2B'>many thanks<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#EEEEEE;background:#999999'>Abbas Wali</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#EEEEEE;background:#999999'>Abbas Wali</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:13.5pt;color:#EEEEEE;background:#999999'>Abbas Wali</span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></body></html>