<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><font face="Helvetica Neue, Segoe UI, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17891">Hi Ryan,</font></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr">If one TP end point is configured in CUCM it does change the license geometry.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr">The TP room license covers both the TP device and phone that is registered to CUCM, only if the owner user id is same for both.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr">If owner user id differ, then two separate license are required one for TP device which would TP room license and for phone it would be UCL enhanced.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr">Refer the below link for more detail.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/admin/10_0_1/ccmfeat/CUCM_BK_F3AC1C0F_00_cucm-features-services-guide-100/CUCM_BK_F3AC1C0F_00_cucm-features-services-guide-100_chapter_0100101.html#CUCM_RF_T165C39F_00" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18122">Features and Services Guide for Cisco Unified Communications Manager, Release 10.0(1) - Licensing [Cisco Unified Communications Manager Version 10.0]</a><br></div><div style="width:450px; 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background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; border-collapse: collapse;"><div class="link-enhancr-element" style="height: 1px; background-color: #e5e5e5; font-size: 1px; line-height:0px"> </div></td></tr></tbody></table></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><h2 class="" style="font-size: 1.4em; color: rgb(51, 102, 102); margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; line-height: 14.3999996185303px;">TelePresence Room License</h2><div style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 14.3999996185303px;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18185"><div class="" style="margin-top: 1em; margin-bottom: 1em;" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18184"><a name="CUCM_RF_T165C39F_00__section_5D32F4FE640F46AB979FFF23C5D06984" class="" href=""></a><div style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.2em;" dir="ltr" class="">Multi-purpose and immersive TelePresence devices are licensed under a separate device license type that is called the TelePresence Room license. The TelePresence Room license covers both the TelePresence device and phone that is registered to <span class="">Cisco Unified Communications Manager</span>, only if the same userid is entered as the OwnerUserID field for the TelePresence device and the phone. If the same userid is not entered as OwnerUserID for both the TelePresense device and the phone, then the devices are not associated and two licenses are required: one TelePresence Room license for the device and one Enhanced UCL for the phone. The TelePresence touch device does not register to the <span class="">Cisco Unified Communications Manager</span>, and therefore does not require a separate license or the OwnerUserID association.</div><div style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.2em;" dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18186"><br></div><div style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.2em;" dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18183"><br></div><div style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.2em;" dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18183">Regards,</div><div style="font-size: 1em; margin-top: 0.5em; margin-bottom: 0.5em; line-height: 1.2em;" dir="ltr" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_18183">Raaj.</div></div></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17631" dir="ltr"><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17706">Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 23:14:33 -0500</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17722">From: Erick <</span><a ymailto="mailto:erickbee@gmail.com" href="mailto:erickbee@gmail.com" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17725">erickbee@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17726">></span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17723">To: Ryan Huff <</span><a ymailto="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17724">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17710">></span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">Cc: "</span><a ymailto="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17019" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">" <</span><a ymailto="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17014" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17826">></span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17708">Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] Strange 10.x licensing issue</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17705">Message-ID: <</span><a ymailto="mailto:C1976E28-AFD7-4CAA-AC82-543319E2A561@gmail.com" href="mailto:C1976E28-AFD7-4CAA-AC82-543319E2A561@gmail.com" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17013" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">C1976E28-AFD7-4CAA-AC82-543319E2A561@gmail.com</a><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">></span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17709">Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">I haven't seen messaging licenses change for a device in cucm yet ... Now will need to look closer.</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="" id="yui_3_16_0_1_1437827457115_17704">But I have seen CER licenses decrease when a owner is set same on multiple devices in cucm . Still need to dig into that to get understanding of why...</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">Up until i saw that, I thought each product type license was not tied to other types. Have not found much in docs yet on this.</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">Sent from my iPhone</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> On Jul 24, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Ryan Huff <</span><a ymailto="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com" style="color: rgb(25, 106, 212); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> wrote:</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> </span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> Had a healthy, licensed 5 node cluster. Some Telepresence units were added and that put the PLM out of compliance, clearly. So the TP licenses were added (using the built in auto-pak fill tool)and that brought the TP license shortage back into compliance BUT put basic messaging, essential and enhanced licensing out of compliance.</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> </span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> My question is, once TP units are configured in CUCM, does that change the geometry of existing licensed users?</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> </span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> Thanks,</span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> </span><br style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class=""><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', 'Segoe UI', Helvetica, Arial, 'Lucida Grande', sans-serif;" class="">> Ryan</span><br></div></div></body></html>