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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-CA link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Appreciate this Ryan. Thank you for your hard work and sharing it. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>And how many times have I forgotten to add the attachment$B!D(B still counting. </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>J</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Ryan Huff<br><b>Sent:</b> October 17, 2015 1:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com>; Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca><br><b>Cc:</b> Cisco VoIP Group <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] How Many Docs Does it Take to Prep for an Upgrade?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>and now here is the attachment ..... sheesh.<br> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center id=stopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From: <a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>; <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a><br>Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 03:01:52 -0400<br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] How Many Docs Does it Take to Prep for an Upgrade?<br>CC: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Here is the Excel spreadsheet that I use during UC upgrades. Don't beat me up too bad ;) .... it is a collection of 'O wait, I need that too's'; it could probably use some consolidation / tweaking.<br> <br>This is the version 1. In the 'version 2' I am making I am adding a testing plan section and I have also been experimenting with some AXL calls that will auto populate some of the 'discovery' stuff from the pre-upgraded nodes.<br> <br>If anyone finds it to be useful in whole or part; have at it.<br> <br>Thanks,<br> <br>Ryan<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center id=ecxstopSpelling></span></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2015 14:52:11 -0500<br>From: <a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a><br>Subject: Re: [cisco-voip] How Many Docs Does it Take to Prep for an Upgrade?<br>CC: <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>When you say Prime, I will assume you mean Prime Collaboration Deployment (PCD).<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>I have used PCD a few times now, but it's far from being the savior one might think it is.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>First, PCD really only shines when migrating to v10 on new hardware. Or, the same hardware, but you have twice the space. You can jump straight from CUCM 6.1(4) to 10.5(2) without COP files, or intermediate versions. That's because PCD is actually installing v10 fresh, and just moving the data for you. At least it tries to. There are a few things it doesn't move yet. E.g., DHCP Server TFTP Option 150. Yes, I saw someone using that in CUCM!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Second, if your doing any other kind of upgrade in PCD, you're not really saving yourself from having to read all the documentation. As your still bound to all the same restrictions and COP files, and whatever else. You can look at PCD in this scenario as an intern who you've given instructions to and he/she just executes them while you go play GTA V on your Xbox you won in an <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZGWBkGkifM" target="_blank">Engineering Deathmatch</a>. The intern really isn't doing anything special for you, other than allowing you to look away while the upgrades happen. And even then, I've seen them fail more times than they have succeeded. YMMV.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>Lastly, on the topic of PCD migrations, which are it's bread and butter, it only does this for CUCM and IM&P. Not CUC, nor CER, not UCCX, or anything else. So, if you go migrate with PCD, then your stuck with COBRAS for CUC, BAT for CER, and who knows what else for the rest. I'll leave that as an exercise to the reader.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>At the end of the day, their maybe some environments where you can just pull the trigger and upgrade the system without reading any documentation, and just gamble, but for a professional of their craft, that's just not acceptable.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 2:02 PM, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>I've never made a spreadsheet like yours, but I've done something similar. Typically with compatibility checking. You do have to visit a number of documents and/or links. It's quite frustrating to say the least.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>The process of upgrading is a difficult one to say the least, especially with things like you mention, where gotchas are hidden deep in documents that you may not read front to back.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>My biggest issue is when you skip versions, it's not really clear which documents to read with respect to changes. For example, when I upgraded from 7.1 to 9.1, I found myself printing (eeeek!) a number of documents which had duplicate information, but I wasn't sure on where to look.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>And then there's the issue that each application will have different rules, so CUCM might say only print the latest minor version notes, any SU or a/b/c release will have everything you need. Where Connection or Unity Express might do something different.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>It's not fun to say the least.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>But isn't Prime supposed to make it easy to upgrade now?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>---<br>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.<br>Senior Analyst, Network Infrastructure<br>Computing and Communications Services (CCS)<br>University of Guelph<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>519</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:black'>$B!>(B</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>824</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Cambria Math",serif;color:black'>$B!>(B</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>4120 Ext 56354<br><a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a><br><a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</a><br>Room 037, Animal Science and Nutrition Building<br>Guelph, Ontario, N1G 2W1<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>From: </span></b><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>"Anthony Holloway" <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><br><b>To: </b>"Cisco VoIP Group" <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br><b>Sent: </b>Friday, October 16, 2015 2:38:40 PM<br><b>Subject: </b>[cisco-voip] How Many Docs Does it Take to Prep for an Upgrade?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Does anyone else do this? Gather all of the documentation ahead of time, because inevitably you're going to revisit a document more than once? There are a lot of documents to gather! Anything I could be doing better? Tips? Tricks?<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I create a spreadsheet of all of the pertinent documents I need to review or reference, like in this screenshot. There's over 90 documents in this list. Granted, I don't read them all front to back, but some I do, and for others I need to reference information within them nonetheless. You never know when you might find a small font hidden note in there.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>E.g., From the 8945 Release Notes<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>"Release 9.4(2)SR1 can only be upgraded from 9.3(4) and later. Releases prior to 9.3(4) have to be upgraded to 9.3(4) first."</span></i><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><i><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>Source: <a href="http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cuipph/8941_8945/firmware/9_4_2SR1/english/release_notes/P415_BK_RB1FD4B7_00_release-notes-942sr1.html#P415_TK_IA5F5D63_00" target="_blank">8945 9.4(2)SR1 Release Notes</a></span></i><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>I actually missed this one recently, and unlike 7900 series phones, they phone will just brick itself and never register. Causing you to walk to every phone and reset power to it, or walk the mac address tables of your layer 2 network and shut/no shut the ports.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><img border=0 width=1254 height=504 id="_x0000_i1028" src="cid:image001.png@01D108CB.70AF3950" alt="Inline image 1"><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>_______________________________________________<br>cisco-voip mailing list<br><a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br><a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip" target="_blank">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>_______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'><br>_______________________________________________ cisco-voip mailing list <a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a> <a href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></body></html>