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I’m sure nothing in wireless is as simple as my tiny brain can comprehend :)
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<div class="">On May 12, 2016, at 2:58 PM, Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" class="">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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<div class="">The first and most important document is the Enterprise Mobility Design Guide</div>
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<div class="">However, that document is really big and covers a lot more than just Jabber. When you get down to the topic at hand, a more manageable and bite sized version of that document can be read here:</div>
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<div class="">As a contrast, Jabber on a wired connection, is simply a matter of matching traffic flows from the client device (PC, Mac, mobile, etc.), and marking the packets. This allows us to maintain our trust boundary, but provide an exception for the
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<div class="">If you can keep the PC from roaming then it’s just a matter of proper QOS and available bandwidth, yes?</div>
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] [cisco-VoIP] UCCE agents on wireless IP Communicator?<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">Many moons ago in a land called Ohio, I rescued a small agent base from doing this ...<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">Aside from the obvious QOS and reliable connection issues; in that client's case the agents would also occasionally want to use the speakerphone function without a headset (PC Speaker / Mic) and without
an HD/noise canceling mic this will usually inject audio artifacts from the speaker into the audio stream. The net effect is duplicated/mis understood DTMF (when using rtp-nte).<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">If this is unavoidable though, and your client is going to travel this path despite all your warnings otherwise; I would recommend the agent's PC on a separate SSID / Interface from the Corporate SSID /
Interface and put all the agent's PC traffic in the EF queue (or at least trust/mark the CIPC traffic) and make sure there is adequate radio coverage by each agent.<span class=""> </span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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<span style="font-family:Calibri,sans-serif" class="">If the client is looking at this as a telecommute option for employees, the issues are further exacerbated by the nature of having heterogeneous wireless connectivity (unless the business standardizes and
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<b class="">Subject:</b><span class=""> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] UCCE agents on wireless IP Communicator?</span><span class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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<span class="">This is a terrible idea. CIPC not stable enough on wireless. Introduce VPN and this is a disaster waiting to happen.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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<span class="">Does anyone have any experiences running CIPC on wireless for UCCE agents? It sounds like a...um, bad idea to me. One of my customers is moving to this "design."<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></div>
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