<div dir="ltr">Unless you only had a single CUCM node (which BE6KS limits you to, and BE6K customers are a fit for). In which case, a truly seeamless way to "flip" it would work in all scenarios.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 3:14 PM, Justin Steinberg <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jsteinberg@gmail.com" target="_blank">jsteinberg@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">The upgrades take too long is part of it. Especially if the upgrade is an RU upgrade, because it means that both the patch install/upgrade and the switch needs to take place in a maintenance mode.<div><br></div><div>The missing piece in my opinion is a way to put CUCM into a maintenance mode where it continues to service active calls (on ccm, cti, ipvms processes, etc) but forces new calls/registrations to another cucm. </div><div><br></div><div>Unity Connection does have a nice implementation of this (i.e. 'stop taking calls') which makes for completely transparent reboots, etc.</div><div><br></div><div>If CUCM had a maintenance mode like feature, we would be able to do these things during the day without causing problems.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Justin</div></font></span></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Ryan Ratliff (rratliff) <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rratliff@cisco.com" target="_blank">rratliff@cisco.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Is it that you have to test the new version before you roll it into production?</div>
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versions in a maintenance window. If they would have only held themselves to a higher standard, we wouldn't need this complex of an alternate solution.</div>
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<p>Matthew is correct, copying is listed as "Supported with Caveats" at: <a href="http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_VMware_Requirements" class="m_-957644574934104773m_3579839361246593001m_680939310062056763OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">http://docwiki.cisco.com/w<wbr>iki/Unified_Communications_VMw<wbr>are_Requirements</a>;
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<p>The VM needs to be powered down first and the resulting VM will have a different MAC address (unless it was originally manually specified); so you'll need to rehost the PLM if it is co-res to any VM that you copy.
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<p>Where I have seen folks get into trouble with this is where a subscriber is copied, and the user mistakenly thinks that by changing the IP and hostname it becomes unique and can be added to the cluster as a new subscriber. I have also seen users
make a copy of a publisher and change the network details of the copy, thinking it makes a unique cluster and then wonders why things like ILS wont work between the two clusters (and it isn't just because the cluster IDs are the same).</p>
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<p>Having said all of that, I would NEVER do this in production ... maybe that is just me being cautious or old school, but that is just me. Even without changing network details on the copy, I have seen this cause issues with Affinity. At the very
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<p>Admittedly, this path is longer and there is a little more work involve but is the safer path, IMO and is what I would trust for a production scenario.
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<p>1.) Create a private port group on the host. If the cluster is on multiple hosts, span the port group through a connecting network to the other hosts but DO NOT create an SVI anywhere in the the topology for that DOT1Q tag (remembering to add a
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<p>2.) Upload Cisco's CSR1000V to the host. If you're not familiar with the product it is at the core and unlicensed, a virtual router with three interfaces by default. Out of the box, it is more than enough to replicate DNS/NTP on your private network
which is all you'll need. Assign the private port group to the network adapters and configure DNS and NTP (master 2) on this virtual router.</p>
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<p>3.) Build out a replica of your production UC cluster on the private network.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I can’t see any reason it wouldn’t be supported honestly. Offline Cloning is allowed for migration/backup purposes. I actually did the NAT thing to do my BE5k to 6K conversions.
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The only thing I can think to be thought of is ITLs, does an upgrade do anything that you’d have to reset phones to go back to the old servers if there are issues? I don’t
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> cisco-voip [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puc<wbr>k.nether.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tommy Schlotterer<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Scott Voll <<a href="mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">svoll.voip@gmail.com</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Not supported I'm sure..... but what do you think?</span></div>
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<a name="m_-957644574934104773_m_3579839361246593001_m_680939310062056763__MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I do a similar, but supported process. I take DRS backups and then restore on servers in a sandbox VLAN. Works well.
Make sure you check your phone firmware and upgrade to the current version before the cutover or all your phones will have to upgrade on cutover.</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Also make sure you don’t change Hostname/Ip addresses in the sandbox as that will cause your ITL to regenerate and cause issues with phone configuration changes after cutover.</span></div>
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So my co-worker and I are thinking about upgrades. we are currently on 10.5 train and thinking about the 11.5 train.</div>
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What would be your thoughts about taking a clone of every VM. CM, UC, UCCx, CER, PLM, </div>
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placing it on another vlan with the same IP's. NAT it as it goes onto your network so it has access to NTP, DNS, AD, etc.</div>
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do your upgrade on the clones.</div>
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Then in VM ware shut down the originals,and change the Vlan (on the clones) back to the production vlan for your voice cluster.</div>
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it would be like a telco slash cut. 10 minute outage as you move from one version to the other.</div>
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