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<p>Change freezes aside (which are manageable), if we were able to upgrade the system onto the secondary partition, switch during a maintenance window, and switch back if there were any issues, that would be great.</p>
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<p>But too often, we see the upgrade requiring new underlying OS upgrades which are not compatible with this option.</p>
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<p>I also find that no matter how much reading and preparation you've done, the upgrade never happens according to the documents. So upgrading offline helps figure out the process.</p>
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<div>Honest question, what exactly is it about the current implementation that fails to deliver on this?
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versions in a maintenance window. If they would have only held themselves to a higher standard, we wouldn't need this complex of an alternate solution.</div>
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<p class="">Matthew is correct, copying is listed as "Supported with Caveats" at: <a href="http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_VMware_Requirements" class="m_680939310062056763OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">http://docwiki.cisco.com/<wbr class="">wiki/Unified_Communications_<wbr class="">VMware_Requirements</a>;
The caveat being found at <a href="http://docwiki.cisco.com/wiki/Unified_Communications_VMware_Requirements#Copy_Virtual_Machine" class="m_680939310062056763OWAAutoLink" target="_blank">http://docwiki.cisco.com/<wbr class="">wiki/Unified_Communications_<wbr class="">VMware_Requirements#Copy_<wbr class="">Virtual_Machine</a></p>
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<p class="">The VM needs to be powered down first and the resulting VM will have a different MAC address (unless it was originally manually specified); so you'll need to rehost the PLM if it is co-res to any VM that you copy.
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<p class="">Where I have seen folks get into trouble with this is where a subscriber is copied, and the user mistakenly thinks that by changing the IP and hostname it becomes unique and can be added to the cluster as a new subscriber. I have also seen users
make a copy of a publisher and change the network details of the copy, thinking it makes a unique cluster and then wonders why things like ILS wont work between the two clusters (and it isn't just because the cluster IDs are the same).</p>
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<p class="">Having said all of that, I would NEVER do this in production ... maybe that is just me being cautious or old school, but that is just me. Even without changing network details on the copy, I have seen this cause issues with Affinity. At the very
least, if you travel this path I would make sure that the copy runs on the same host and even in the same datastore.</p>
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<p class="">Admittedly, this path is longer and there is a little more work involve but is the safer path, IMO and is what I would trust for a production scenario.
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<p class="">1.) Create a private port group on the host. If the cluster is on multiple hosts, span the port group through a connecting network to the other hosts but DO NOT create an SVI anywhere in the the topology for that DOT1Q tag (remembering to add a
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<p class="">2.) Upload Cisco's CSR1000V to the host. If you're not familiar with the product it is at the core and unlicensed, a virtual router with three interfaces by default. Out of the box, it is more than enough to replicate DNS/NTP on your private network
which is all you'll need. Assign the private port group to the network adapters and configure DNS and NTP (master 2) on this virtual router.</p>
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<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 25, 2016 2:49 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Scott Voll <<a href="mailto:svoll.voip@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">svoll.voip@gmail.com</a>>;
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<a name="m_680939310062056763__MailEndCompose" class=""><span class="" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1f497d">I do a similar, but supported process. I take DRS backups and then restore on servers in a sandbox VLAN. Works well.
Make sure you check your phone firmware and upgrade to the current version before the cutover or all your phones will have to upgrade on cutover.</span></a><span class="" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1f497d"></span></div>
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<span class="" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif; color:#1f497d">Also make sure you don’t change Hostname/Ip addresses in the sandbox as that will cause your ITL to regenerate and cause issues with phone configuration changes after cutover.</span></div>
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So my co-worker and I are thinking about upgrades. we are currently on 10.5 train and thinking about the 11.5 train.</div>
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What would be your thoughts about taking a clone of every VM. CM, UC, UCCx, CER, PLM, </div>
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placing it on another vlan with the same IP's. NAT it as it goes onto your network so it has access to NTP, DNS, AD, etc.</div>
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