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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> cisco-voip [mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 01, 2017 3:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Matthew Loraditch <MLoraditch@heliontechnologies.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In Lelio's case though ... say you went full on rock star with the Cisco AE and got 70% of list for a $1.5m buy ... $450k is still a helluva ask for a University to come up with to replace phones. That may put SLED in an awkward position
of racing against an ominous clock to get all the handset replaced or face the consequence of not being able to upgrade past a certain point until all potentially "un registrable" phones are replaced.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Honestly, I'd like to see a SLED/GOV "grandfather" COP where orgs that can prove a justification be given a COP that allows these models to continue to register for an extended grace period (I.e extra year ... etc). Since the depreciation
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think that would give Cisco a stronger mechanism to deprecate these older models with a predictable timeline AND, being nicer to these orgs that have sunk serious change with Cisco over the years. Win win if you ask me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Otherwise, you gonna see some of these cowboys and cowgirls hanging on to their v10's and v'11.0s till the disks stop spinning (maybe not THAT dramatic). All my opinion though ;).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 1, 2017 2:53 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip voyp list <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">True, no avoiding the hard cost of the phones, but we have clients that would spend almost as much as the phone on services to replace the phone, so that would be £3 million ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 1 May 2017, at 19:50, Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, May 01, 2017 12:36 PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Lelio Fulgenzi; cisco-voip voyp list<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [cisco-voip] Field Notice: Cisco Unified Communications Manager Release 12.0(x) does not support some deprecated phone models - Cisco</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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