<div dir="ltr">Just tossing my "ditto" into the ring here with Lelio, and Terry as a customer from higher education. Budget issues yadda yadda. I think Cisco UC products are worth it, but I also get asked "what other solution is out there for XYZ" from time to time, and it definitely helps to know. Some use-cases are probably small enough that its worth throwing a "boutique" solution at it.<div><div><br></div><div>Sometimes we're not even asked in central IT here - as decentralized as we are, I wouldn't be surprised to see Lelio's "fluxcollaborator 5000" show up in a dean's conference room tomorrow with the expectation to make it work. Luckily that type of thing is becoming rarer :)</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:49 PM, Terry Oakley <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Terry.Oakley@rdc.ab.ca" target="_blank">Terry.Oakley@rdc.ab.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">I will chime in as well. From a higher ed funded institution (publicly funded by tax dollars) the ability to find less costly solutions is always at the forefront. We fortunately are a Cisco shop from VC
to network but we are constantly under pressure to find a cheaper solution. That in itself causes a lot of dollars to be spent on purchasing a third party product and then massaging it to work as intended. Sometimes the capital dollars are easy to solve
for the purchase, it is the operational dollars that get hard to justify and even harder to acquire and resource. It is a never ending battle to see where and what direction we will go with every shrinking budgets. With so much invested in our infrastructure
to date it seems odd that that investment would not be valued but sadly it does not always seem that way. Not like it is in the corporate side or what appears to be like.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> cisco-voip [mailto:<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@<wbr>puck.nether.net</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 1, 2018 12:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.<wbr>com</a>></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Cisco VoIP Group <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] anyone try solaborate hello?<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think what you’ll find is that in a higher ed scenario, the ability to dictate what products are used doesn’t go as far as in a corporate environment.
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<p class="MsoNormal">If someone wants a Cisco room based system, they’re shelling out thousands of dollars. Even if a business case can be made, the money may simply not be there.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was looking at bridging AV solutions with existing PC conferencing solution, like Jabber and WebEx from Cisco, and found some interesting HDMI to USB streaming devices.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But this solution allows someone to participate in the enterprise collaboration space, i.e. Spark and WebEx, with an economical solution.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess I see this as hardware using the existing platforms. I’m ok with that. For the most part. Something like HighFive which offers a subscription conferencing service, I wouldn’t condone, cause that just causes confusion.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Anthony Holloway [<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@<wbr>gmail.com</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 1, 2018 1:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm kind of curious to know who on this mailing list would have tried it, because this list seems to be made up of mostly people interested in Cisco products and technology. Save for a few people of course, who have an indirect Cisco interest.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Granted, Cisco doesn't always make the first, the best, or the cheapest, and alternatives in the market are a good thing, but, from my perspective, which is through the eyes of a Cisco Engineer, I would never be installing a COTS product
which competes directly with Cisco's own offerings. Be it this product, or a Microsoft product.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sure, I might see one in the field, but I wouldn't take any responsibility for managing it.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Since Lelio, you're on the customer side, is it different for you? Do you have the freedom of just buying and trying any product you want, regardless of manufacturer? Even when I was on the customer side for a few years, I was still a
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyway, just curious.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">By the way, this product actually looks pretty cool and he price is very affordable. So, my above comments are not tied to the product itself, more to the idea of 3rd party COTS products competing against Cisco
products, when viewed from a Cisco Engineer's perspective.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<a href="https://www.solaborate.com/hello" target="_blank">https://www.solaborate.com/<wbr>hello</a><br>
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