<div dir="ltr">I guess any solution is going to be good for some, and bad for others. For example, making a user choose "Cloud Login" is not good in my opinion, because I believe users will not understand that language.<div><br></div><div>This reminds me of installing QM and during the setup it asks you to enter the CTI Server IP Address. What server is that? CUCM obviously, right? Nope, it's the QM server. So yeah, language can be tricky.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 5:22 PM Ryan Huff <<a href="mailto:ryanhuff@outlook.com">ryanhuff@outlook.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>And that mostly works except for when it comes to the Webex connect authentication mechanism. I would not be having this dialogue right now, if the authentication attempt would simply move on to SRV record checking if it fails the Webexconnect login, but
it doesn’t. If it finds that domain configured with Webexconnect, and it fails authentication, you’re dead in the water.<br>
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<div>All of these techniques are not solutions, they are ways to navigate the boat around an anchor that shouldn’t even be there.<br>
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<div>How did you get the client on their in the first place? How do you handle upgrades? If either of these methods used the MSI, then using the CLEAR=1 switch shouldn't be a big deal.</div>
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<div>End Users are happy to click on URLs. In fact, it happens all the time when you sign up for new services (to activate new accounts), or when you request password resets. And who's to say it has to look funky? Just use a
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<div>Funny enough, in the Cisco Live US 2018 Troubleshooting Jabber like a TAC Engineer session, the TAC Engineer giving the preso (Amazing guy!) said something to the effect of: TAC will work with the Webex team to help you get that corrected. Assuming of
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<div>If you think the mobile provisioning URL is a solution, it’s not. It’s a horrible solution. Convince my users to click on a funky looking url on their devices when I spend my existence espousing to users, not to click on funny looking links?</div>
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<div>I’ve been after this feature for awhile now, just wrote a new idea request too ...</div>
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