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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">For a major upgrade it seems pretty
      reasonable to me. I'd consider doing it just for testing even if I
      upgraded the production servers directly rather than shut them
      down and start up the upgraded ones. And if I was going to do a
      parallel upgrade, I'd probably upgrade once to test, then copy the
      production servers across again and do it for real. One thought
      that comes to mind is how quickly you can copy back the VMs from
      AWS to your production environment.<br>
      <br>
      "Everybody has a testing environment. Some people are lucky enough
      enough to have a totally separate environment to run production
      in." <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://twitter.com/stahnma/status/634849376343429120">https://twitter.com/stahnma/status/634849376343429120</a><br>
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      On 21/01/19 09:52, Lelio Fulgenzi wrote:<br>
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      Perhaps. But it’s an option.
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      <div>My preference would be to use on premise resources to create
        the offline network. This part of the discussion was focused on
        how you could use VWC on AWS to accomplish this if you didn’t
        have resources. The CSR would, if it works, allow you to connect
        devices on prem to the offline servers to do a more complete
        testing. But it’s not entirely necessary. </div>
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      <div>It’s all what your more comfortable with, I guess. I’d rather
        double the amount of prep time to complete the upgrades offline
        in order to reduce the downtime to the production service.
        Especially when both CUCM and UCCX need to be upgraded
        simultaneously due to version compatibility. </div>
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          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt;"><span
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          On Jan 20, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Anthony Holloway <<a
            href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com"
            moz-do-not-send="true">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Does this sound a tad over engineered for an
              upgrade to anyone else, or is it just me?</div>
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              <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at
                3:28 PM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a
                  href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
                wrote:<br>
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                  That sounds like exactly what I want to do!
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                  <div>Thx!<br>
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                            style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>Lelio
                              Fulgenzi, B.A.</b> | Senior Analyst</span></p>
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                        On Jan 19, 2019, at 11:37 AM, Dave Goodwin <<a
                          href="mailto:dave.goodwin@december.net"
                          target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">dave.goodwin@december.net</a>>
                        wrote:<br>
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                            <div dir="auto">If you want to connect from
                              the outside then rig up a virtual router
                              such as a CSR that conndects to both the
                              private and elastic side, establish a L2L
                              VPN tunnel to the elastic IP, route the
                              private IPs across the VPN.</div>
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                              <div dir="ltr">On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at
                                9:31 AM Lelio Fulgenzi <<a
                                  href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
                                  target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
                                wrote:<br>
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                                  Very interesting! 
                                  <div><br>
                                  </div>
                                  <div>Having private IPs on a secondary
                                    switch is great. But if I can’t
                                    connect, then I can’t do full tests.
                                    We end up doing some mock migrations
                                    and stuff. Also testing phones,
                                    etc. </div>
                                  <div><br>
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                                  <div>But hey, still worth a shot!<br>
                                    <br>
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                                        style="margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt"><span
style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)"><b>Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</b> |
                                          Senior Analyst</span></p>
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style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Computing and
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                                          University of Guelph</span></p>
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style="background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Room 037 Animal Science
                                          & Nutrition Bldg | <a
                                            dir="ltr"
                                            moz-do-not-send="true">50
                                            Stone Rd E | Guelph, ON |
                                            N1G 2W1</a></span></p>
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                                      On Jan 18, 2019, at 5:05 PM, Dave
                                      Goodwin <<a
                                        href="mailto:dave.goodwin@december.net"
                                        target="_blank"
                                        moz-do-not-send="true">dave.goodwin@december.net</a>>
                                      wrote:<br>
                                      <br>
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                                    <blockquote type="cite">
                                      <div>
                                        <div>
                                          <div dir="auto">If you want to
                                            bring your own IPs to AWS
                                            instances instead of using
                                            their Elastic IPs, you can
                                            do that now from what I
                                            understand:
                                            <div><a
href="https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2018/10/announcing-the-general-availability-of-bring-your-own-ip-for-amazon-virtual-private-cloud/"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">https://aws.amazon.com/about-aws/whats-new/2018/10/announcing-the-general-availability-of-bring-your-own-ip-for-amazon-virtual-private-cloud/</a></div>
                                            <div dir="auto"><br>
                                            </div>
                                            I don’t know if that
                                            functionality is compatible
                                            with VMC-AWS or not. Also,
                                            I’d think just like Charles
                                            suggested that you could use
                                            your own IPs on a private
                                            vSwitch or VM network. </div>
                                        </div>
                                        <div><br>
                                          <div class="gmail_quote">
                                            <div dir="ltr">On Fri, Jan
                                              18, 2019 at 4:04 PM
                                              Charles Goldsmith <<a
                                                href="mailto:wokka@justfamily.org"
                                                target="_blank"
                                                moz-do-not-send="true">wokka@justfamily.org</a>>
                                              wrote:<br>
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                                              <div dir="ltr">Not sure,
                                                but let us know once you
                                                talk with your AWS /
                                                VMware sales team.
                                                <div><br>
                                                </div>
                                                <div>If you need one,
                                                  let me know and I'll
                                                  put you in touch :)</div>
                                              </div>
                                              <br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr"
class="gmail-m_2811220116181022009m_1647178627801959169m_-4572697206780604536gmail_attr">On
                                                  Fri, Jan 18, 2019 at
                                                  3:01 PM Lelio Fulgenzi
                                                  <<a
                                                    href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
                                                    target="_blank"
                                                    moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal">I
                                                        wonder if there
                                                        are additional
                                                        services you
                                                        could subscribe
                                                        to. Front it
                                                        with VPN/IP
                                                        extension
                                                        service so the
                                                        vSwitch can be
                                                        configured with
                                                        any VLAN that
                                                        the extra layer
                                                        offers.</p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | Senior Analyst</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Computing and
                                                          Communications
                                                          Services</span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | University of Guelph</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Room 037 Animal Science &
                                                          Nutrition Bldg
                                                          | 50 Stone Rd
                                                          E | Guelph, ON
                                                          | N1G 2W1</span></p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:rgb(5,99,193)">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></span></p>
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href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> | @UofGCCS on
                                                          Instagram,
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                                                          Facebook</span></p>
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                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                                        Charles
                                                        Goldsmith <<a
href="mailto:wokka@justfamily.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">wokka@justfamily.org</a>>
                                                        <br>
                                                        <b>Sent:</b>
                                                        Friday, January
                                                        18, 2019 3:51 PM<br>
                                                        <b>To:</b> Lelio
                                                        Fulgenzi <<a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
                                                        <b>Cc:</b>
                                                        Matthew Collins
                                                        <<a
                                                          href="mailto:mcollins@block.co.uk"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">mcollins@block.co.uk</a>>;
                                                        <a
                                                          href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
                                                        <b>Subject:</b>
                                                        Re: [cisco-voip]
                                                        CUCM upgrade
                                                        from 10.5 to
                                                        11.5</p>
                                                      <p
                                                        class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                        <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">From
                                                          what I
                                                          understand,
                                                          you cannot
                                                          extend your
                                                          IP, it's IP's
                                                          assigned from
                                                          AWS.  At least
                                                          for public
                                                          facing.  I'm
                                                          assuming you
                                                          can spin up
                                                          another
                                                          vswitch on the
                                                          vsphere side
                                                          and have
                                                          private IP's,
                                                          just like we
                                                          can locally.</p>
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                                                        class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">On
                                                          Fri, Jan 18,
                                                          2019 at 2:48
                                                          PM Lelio
                                                          Fulgenzi <<a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Hmmm,
                                                          in actuality,
                                                          VMware on AWS
                                                          seems like it
                                                          will be the
                                                          best
                                                          replacement
                                                          for a physical
                                                          stack of bare
                                                          metal servers
                                                          for temporary
                                                          use. As long
                                                          as the IP
                                                          address space
                                                          was the same,
                                                          you could
                                                          simply shut
                                                          them down and
                                                          export after
                                                          the migration
                                                          was complete.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Side
                                                          question…</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Anyone
                                                          know how that
                                                          works? Can you
                                                          extend your IP
                                                          address space
                                                          into AWS
                                                          without much
                                                          effort?</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">---</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | Senior Analyst</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Computing and
                                                          Communications
                                                          Services</span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | University of Guelph</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Room 037 Animal Science &
                                                          Nutrition Bldg
                                                          | 50 Stone Rd
                                                          E | Guelph, ON
                                                          | N1G 2W1</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a></span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><a
href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> | @UofGCCS on
                                                          Instagram,
                                                          Twitter and
                                                          Facebook</span></p>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                                          Charles
                                                          Goldsmith <<a
href="mailto:wokka@justfamily.org" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">wokka@justfamily.org</a>>
                                                          <br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Friday,
                                                          January 18,
                                                          2019 3:12 PM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b>
                                                          Lelio Fulgenzi
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>><br>
                                                          <b>Cc:</b>
                                                          Matthew
                                                          Collins <<a
href="mailto:mcollins@block.co.uk" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mcollins@block.co.uk</a>>;
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [cisco-voip]
                                                          CUCM upgrade
                                                          from 10.5 to
                                                          11.5</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">If
                                                          you are one of
                                                          my customers,
                                                          I can arrange
                                                          that.  Do we
                                                          have a web
                                                          page where you
                                                          can just go
                                                          sign up, no. 
                                                          But there are
                                                          services that
                                                          let you rent
                                                          bare metal
                                                          servers.  </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">VMware
                                                          and AWS are
                                                          teaming up to
                                                          rent you
                                                          vsphere on AWS
                                                          bare metal. </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
                                                          On Jan 18,
                                                          2019, at 1:45
                                                          PM, Lelio
                                                          Fulgenzi <<a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
                                                          </div>
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                                                          style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt">
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">This
                                                          should be a
                                                          signal to
                                                          professional
                                                          services orgs
                                                          out there to
                                                          rent out UCS
                                                          systems for
                                                          offline
                                                          upgrades. :)
                                                          </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
                                                          <div
id="gmail-m_2811220116181022009m_1647178627801959169m_-4572697206780604536gmail-m_3377842767058791592gmail-m_6103124561580403481AppleMailSignature">
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><i>-sent
                                                          from mobile
                                                          device-</i></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>Lelio
                                                          Fulgenzi, B.A.</b> |
                                                          Senior Analyst</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Computing
                                                          and
                                                          Communications
                                                          Services |
                                                          University of
                                                          Guelph</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Room
                                                          037 Animal
                                                          Science &
                                                          Nutrition Bldg
                                                          | 50 Stone Rd
                                                          E | Guelph, ON
                                                          | N1G 2W1</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"><a href="tel:519-824-4120;56354" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">519-824-4120
                                                          Ext. 56354</a> | <a
href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a></span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="color:black"><a href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</a> | @UofGCCS on Instagram,
                                                          Twitter and
                                                          Facebook</span></p>
                                                          <p
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12pt"><br>
                                                          On Jan 18,
                                                          2019, at 5:24
                                                          AM, Matthew
                                                          Collins <<a
href="mailto:mcollins@block.co.uk" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">mcollins@block.co.uk</a>>
                                                          wrote:</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Agree
                                                          with Lelio but
                                                          sometimes
                                                          parallel
                                                          upgrade are
                                                          just not
                                                          possible.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I’ve
                                                          done 3 x 10.5
                                                          to 11.6 direct
                                                          upgrade
                                                          recently any
                                                          only had one
                                                          issue that
                                                          wasn’t
                                                          directly
                                                          related to the
                                                          upgrade. Other
                                                          than that they
                                                          have been
                                                          pretty smooth.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">In
                                                          your
                                                          pre-checks
                                                          don’t just
                                                          check DB
                                                          replication
                                                          but also CUC
                                                          and UCCX
                                                          replication on
                                                          the respective
                                                          servers (utils
                                                          uccx/cuc
                                                          dbreplication
                                                          status). Plus
                                                          check from the
                                                          pub and sub as
                                                          on a CUC
                                                          upgrade
                                                          recently it
                                                          kept failing,
                                                          Turned out CUC
                                                          replication
                                                          wasn’t set up
                                                          correctly. Ran
                                                          the command
                                                          from the Pub
                                                          and it stated
                                                          everything was
                                                          good, Ran from
                                                          the Sub said
                                                          it was failed.
                                                          Ended up
                                                          re-building
                                                          the CUC Sub.
                                                          The issue came
                                                          about from a
                                                          host name
                                                          change years
                                                          back and some
                                                          of the tables
                                                          where not
                                                          updated on the
                                                          sub.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Also
                                                          double check
                                                          the memory
                                                          requirements.
                                                          As 11.x
                                                          requires 2
                                                          extra gig most
                                                          of the OVA’s.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Upgrade
                                                          timings going
                                                          from 10.5 to
                                                          11.5/6</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Memory
                                                          upgrade where
                                                          completed
                                                          prior to
                                                          upgrades.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          CUCM Upgrade
                                                          Pub 90 Mins
                                                          7.5k OVA<br>
                                                          CUCM Upgrade
                                                          Subs 60 Mins<br>
                                                          IM&P
                                                          Upgrade Pub 70
                                                          Mins 5K OVA<br>
                                                          IM&P
                                                          Upgrade Sub 50
                                                          Mins<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          CUCM Switch
                                                          Versions Pub
                                                          40 Mins <br>
                                                          CUCM Switch
                                                          Versions Subs
                                                          30 Mins<br>
                                                          IM&P
                                                          Switch
                                                          Versions Pub
                                                          30 Mins<br>
                                                          IM&P
                                                          Switch
                                                          Versions Sub
                                                          30 Mins<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          UCCX Upgrade
                                                          Pub 80 Mins –
                                                          300 Agent OVA<br>
                                                          UCCX Upgrade
                                                          Sub 60 Mins<br>
                                                          UCCX Switch
                                                          Versions Pub
                                                          45 Mins<br>
                                                          UCCX Switch
                                                          Versions Sub
                                                          30 Mins</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century
                                                          Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,157,177)">Regards</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century
                                                          Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,157,177)"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Century
                                                          Gothic",sans-serif;color:rgb(0,157,177)">Matthew
                                                          Collins
                                                          </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <div
style="border-right:none;border-bottom:none;border-left:none;border-top:1pt
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                                          cisco-voip
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>>
                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>Lelio
                                                          Fulgenzi<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          17 January
                                                          2019 16:37<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> SK
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:cciecollab2017@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cciecollab2017@gmail.com</a>>;
                                                          <a
                                                          href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          Re:
                                                          [cisco-voip]
                                                          CUCM upgrade
                                                          from 10.5 to
                                                          11.5</p>
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                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          will say one
                                                          thing, if you
                                                          have the
                                                          opportunity to
                                                          duplicate the
                                                          environment in
                                                          an off-line
                                                          network and
                                                          perform the
                                                          upgrades
                                                          there, then
                                                          your migration
                                                          will basically
                                                          be downtime
                                                          involved with
                                                          shutting down
                                                          old servers
                                                          and turning up
                                                          new servers.
                                                          This is not
                                                          trivial, by
                                                          any stretch of
                                                          the
                                                          imagination.
                                                          However, once
                                                          you put some
                                                          thought into
                                                          it, I think
                                                          you’ll find
                                                          this method
                                                          extremely
                                                          valuable.
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">You
                                                          work out all
                                                          the kinks in
                                                          the offline
                                                          network and
                                                          repeat until
                                                          you are
                                                          satisfied.
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">You’ll
                                                          need a couple
                                                          of things to
                                                          make this
                                                          work, namely,
                                                          a change
                                                          freeze window
                                                          and the “pre
                                                          8.0”
                                                          enterprise
                                                          parameter.
                                                          </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">We’ve
                                                          done this
                                                          twice now and
                                                          it’s worked
                                                          like a charm.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          would hate to
                                                          do upgrades on
                                                          live systems.</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Lelio</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">---</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Lelio Fulgenzi, B.A.</span></b><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | Senior Analyst</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Computing and
                                                          Communications
                                                          Services</span><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | University of Guelph</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Room 037 Animal Science &
                                                          Nutrition Bldg
                                                          | 50 Stone Rd
                                                          E | Guelph, ON
                                                          | N1G 2W1</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">519-824-4120 Ext. 56354 |
                                                          </span><a
                                                          href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
                                                          style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">lelio@uoguelph.ca</span></a></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><a
href="http://www.uoguelph.ca/ccs" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif">www.uoguelph.ca/ccs</span></a><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)"> | @UofGCCS on
                                                          Instagram,
                                                          Twitter and
                                                          Facebook</span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><image001.png></p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b>
                                                          cisco-voip
                                                          <<a
                                                          href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>>
                                                          <b>On Behalf
                                                          Of </b>SK<br>
                                                          <b>Sent:</b>
                                                          Thursday,
                                                          January 17,
                                                          2019 10:48 AM<br>
                                                          <b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank"
                                                          moz-do-not-send="true">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a><br>
                                                          <b>Subject:</b>
                                                          [cisco-voip]
                                                          CUCM upgrade
                                                          from 10.5 to
                                                          11.5</p>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">We
                                                          are planning
                                                          upgrade for
                                                          our CUCM - CUC
                                                          -UCCX platform
                                                          from 10.5 to
                                                          11.5 soon  .
                                                          UCCX will be
                                                          on 11.6.2
                                                          mostly .</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">I
                                                          will
                                                          appreciate any
                                                          pointers on
                                                          known bugs /
                                                          challenges .</p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal"> </p>
                                                          </div>
                                                          <div>
                                                          <p
                                                          class="MsoNormal">Thank
                                                          you . </p>
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                                                          class="MsoNormal">_______________________________________________<br>
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                                                          href="https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/cisco-voip</a></p>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
James Andrewartha
Network & Projects Engineer
Christ Church Grammar School
Claremont, Western Australia
Ph. (08) 9442 1757
Mob. 0424 160 877</pre>
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