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Ya. Sorry. Didn’t explain I wanted interim local storage that I could move.
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<div>I’ll have to put more thought into it. </div>
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<div>I might even consider a direct connected pc. Evaluate the time and effort vs speed of export/import. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Your original request was a local copy. </div>
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Can I copy this to USB? Would I have to somehow mount/format the portable file system?
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<div>I’m intrigued!<br>
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<div dir="ltr">I’ve done this to make backup copies in addition to DRS for an upgrade</div>
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Yes - I was quite surprised with the amount of time exporting/importing requires. Especially because, as far as I know, there is no way to export to a locally attached storage then pop that out/in and import. It has to be done via vsphere client and pc. We
ended up putting a laptop on the same switch to speed things up a bit.
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<div>I really wish there was a quicker way. </div>
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<div>Note: were using local storage on all our be7h servers. <br>
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<div>My preference would be to use on premise resources to create the offline network. This part of the discussion was focused on how you could use VWC on AWS to accomplish this if you didn’t have resources. The CSR would, if it works, allow you to connect
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That sounds like exactly what I want to do!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Charles Goldsmith <<a href="mailto:wokka@justfamily.org" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">wokka@justfamily.org</a>>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Anyone know how that works? Can you extend your IP address space into AWS without much effort?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If you are one of my customers, I can arrange that. Do we have a web page where you can just go sign up, no. But there are services that let you rent bare metal servers. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve done 3 x 10.5 to 11.6 direct upgrade recently any only had one issue that wasn’t directly related to the upgrade. Other than that they have been pretty smooth.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">In your pre-checks don’t just check DB replication but also CUC and UCCX replication on the respective servers (utils uccx/cuc dbreplication status). Plus check from the pub and sub as on a CUC upgrade recently it kept failing, Turned out
CUC replication wasn’t set up correctly. Ran the command from the Pub and it stated everything was good, Ran from the Sub said it was failed. Ended up re-building the CUC Sub. The issue came about from a host name change years back and some of the tables where
not updated on the sub.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Also double check the memory requirements. As 11.x requires 2 extra gig most of the OVA’s.</p>
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CUCM Upgrade Pub 90 Mins 7.5k OVA<br>
CUCM Upgrade Subs 60 Mins<br>
IM&P Upgrade Pub 70 Mins 5K OVA<br>
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UCCX Upgrade Sub 60 Mins<br>
UCCX Switch Versions Pub 45 Mins<br>
UCCX Switch Versions Sub 30 Mins</p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lelio Fulgenzi<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 17 January 2019 16:37<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I will say one thing, if you have the opportunity to duplicate the environment in an off-line network and perform the upgrades there, then your migration will basically be downtime involved with shutting down old servers and turning up
new servers. This is not trivial, by any stretch of the imagination. However, once you put some thought into it, I think you’ll find this method extremely valuable.
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<p class="MsoNormal">You work out all the kinks in the offline network and repeat until you are satisfied.
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<p class="MsoNormal">You’ll need a couple of things to make this work, namely, a change freeze window and the “pre 8.0” enterprise parameter.
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<p class="MsoNormal">We’ve done this twice now and it’s worked like a charm.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would hate to do upgrades on live systems.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lelio</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(51,51,51)">Computing and Communications Services</span><span style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> | University of Guelph</span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [cisco-voip] CUCM upgrade from 10.5 to 11.5</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are planning upgrade for our CUCM - CUC -UCCX platform from 10.5 to 11.5 soon . UCCX will be on 11.6.2 mostly .</p>
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