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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m fine with leaving them Video, not sure I want to play with changing that Service Parameter, 4k phones and hundreds of various “desktop video” units (but none Immersive
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span>) . Since I now know the Cisco WebEx blah are desktop video I am happy.<span style="font-size:10.5pt;color:#455566"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Brian Meade <bmeade90@vt.edu> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 25, 2019 7:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Aarons (Americas) <jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <lelio@uoguelph.ca>; Anthony Holloway <avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com>; cisco-voip (cisco-voip@puck.nether.net) <cisco-voip@puck.nether.net><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 12.5 Regions > Max Session Bit Rate for Video vs Immersive Video<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After flipping the service parameter, did it respect the immersive bandwidth setting on the region?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 6:38 PM Jason Aarons (Americas) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Just to circle back a Room 70 Dual is desktop video same as 8845/65. Testing was by adjusting either Video bandwidth or Immersive Bandwidth in CUCM regions and then logging into
codec and seeing bit rate in use. I had presumed something this larger was Immersive, I was wrong. The Unified Reports is a liar as Anthony said
<span style="font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😊</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The funny part is that Immersive devices don’t use the Immersive bandwidth setting due to the service parameter default;<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Lelio Fulgenzi <<a href="mailto:lelio@uoguelph.ca" target="_blank">lelio@uoguelph.ca</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 24, 2019 12:09 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Aarons (Americas) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com" target="_blank">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>>; Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip (<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [cisco-voip] CUCM 12.5 Regions > Max Session Bit Rate for Video vs Immersive Video<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">What testing did you do? Just curious. Do we know what “immersive video support” actually means? Does it mean you need to be talking to an actual IX device to get the support?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Also – I noticed this. Is your SIP profile set up with Immersive?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">P.S. I have _<i>no</i>_ idea what I’m talking about. These are just guesses.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> cisco-voip <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip-bounces@puck.nether.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jason Aarons (Americas)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip (<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 12.5 Regions > Max Session Bit Rate for Video vs Immersive Video<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Here is the report, but testing confirmed a Cisco WebEx Room 55 is not an Immersive Video endpoint. Sort of opposite of what below indicates.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:35 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Aarons (Americas) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com" target="_blank">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip (<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 12.5 Regions > Max Session Bit Rate for Video vs Immersive Video<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I agree that the name isn't as useful anymore, but did you run the report? If so, do you feel the report is accurate, or are you noticing something is wrong with it?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Also, you didn't mention if you switched your Service Param over or not, else, everything uses non-immersive video by default.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 4:11 PM Jason Aarons (Americas) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com" target="_blank">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I can’t recall a new product from the Oslo team that said Telepresence it. The last products where Cisco TelePresence DX70, Cisco Telepresence MX200 G2 etc. The larger 3 panel
half table conference room we all identify as Telepresence blah.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">New huddle space products customers like are the Cisco Webex Board 55, Cisco Webex Room 55/70. Based on testing these WebEx Room blah are no longer Immersive Video (on right in
Regions) but just video endpoints similar to a 8845/8865. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Guess I was going by the video screen size. Big meant Telepresence. Struggle was TAC SE didn’t know what Immersive Video vs Video was. The CCIE Collab lab is pretty clear the
8845/65 are just video as you have tasks related to regions.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Anthony Holloway <<a href="mailto:avholloway%2Bcisco-voip@gmail.com" target="_blank">avholloway+cisco-voip@gmail.com</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 22, 2019 10:22 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jason Aarons (Americas) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com" target="_blank">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> cisco-voip (<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>) <<a href="mailto:cisco-voip@puck.nether.net" target="_blank">cisco-voip@puck.nether.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cisco-voip] CUCM 12.5 Regions > Max Session Bit Rate for Video vs Immersive Video<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Did you already change the value of Service Parameter: Use Video BandwidthPool for Immersive Video Calls?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The classification is per version of CUCM, and thus can be queried in CUCM. See below from SRND.<o:p></o:p></p>
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Cisco TelePresence endpoints have a fixed non-configurable Video Call Traffic Class of immersive and are identified by Unified CM as
<b>immersive</b>. Telepresence endpoints are defined in Unified CM by the device type. When a device is added in Unified CM, any device with TelePresence in the name of the device type is classified as
<b>immersive</b>, as are the generic single-screen and multi-screen room systems. Another way to check the capabilities of the endpoints in the Unified CM is to go to the
<b>Cisco Unified Reporting Tool > System Reports > Unified CM Phone Feature List</b>. In the feature drop down list, select
<b>Immersive Video Support for TelePresence Devices</b> ; in the product drop down list, select
<b>All</b>. This will display all of the device types that are classified as <b>immersive</b>. All other endpoints have a fixed Video Call Traffic Class of
<b>desktop</b> due to their lack of the non-configurable <b>immersive </b>attribute.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<a href="https://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/td/docs/voice_ip_comm/cucm/srnd/collab11/collab11/cac.html#pgfId-1489913" target="_blank">
CUCM 11.x SRND</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Sun, Jul 21, 2019 at 6:51 PM Jason Aarons (Americas) <<a href="mailto:jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com" target="_blank">jason.aarons@dimensiondata.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Where is there a definitive list of what is Immersive? Is a Room 55 Immersive?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">From my training the left is 88xx video and right were products formerly made by Tandberg such as Room 55/DX80/SX80/MX300 etc<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">In a Room 55 trying to figure out if it is left or right side.<o:p></o:p></p>
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